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This page is for nominations to appear in the "Did you know" section on the Main Page. For the discussion page see WT:DYK. Nominations that have been approved are moved to a staging area, from which the articles are promoted into the Queue.


Count of DYK Hooks
Section # of Hooks # Verified
August 23 1
August 29 1
September 9 1 1
September 11 2 1
September 12 1
September 13 1 1
September 18 2 1
September 21 1 1
September 22 1 1
September 23 2
September 24 1
September 25 1
September 26 4 1
September 27 2
September 28 2 1
September 29 1
September 30 3 1
October 1 4 2
October 2 2 1
October 3 2 1
October 4 4 1
October 5 2
October 6 6 3
October 7 3 3
October 8 8 5
October 9 7 2
October 10 5 2
October 11 5 4
October 12 7 6
October 13 4 3
October 14 7 4
October 15 5
October 16 7 2
October 17 4 1
October 18
Total 109 49
Last updated 03:24, 18 October 2017 UTC
Current time is 04:04, 18 October 2017 UTC [refresh]

Instructions for nominators[edit]

Create a subpage for your new DYK suggestion and then list the page below under the date the article was created or the expansion began (not the date you submit it here), with the newest dates at the bottom. Any registered user may nominate a DYK suggestion (if you are not a registered user, please leave a message at the bottom of the DYK project talk page with the details of the article you would like to nominate and the hook you would like to propose); self-nominations are permitted and encouraged. Thanks for participating and please remember to check back for comments on your nomination (consider watchlisting your nomination page).

If this is your first nomination, please read the DYK rules before continuing:
Official DYK criteria: DYK rules and supplementary guidelines
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To nominate an article[edit]

Read these instructions completely before proceeding.
For simplified instructions, see User:Rjanag/Quick DYK 2.
Create the nomination subpage.

Enter the article title in the box below and click the button. (To nominate multiple articles together, enter any or all of the article titles.) You will then be taken to a preloaded nomination page.

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On the nomination page, fill in the relevant information. See Template:NewDYKnomination and {{NewDYKnomination/guide}} for further information.

  • Not every line of the template needs to be filled in. For instance, if you are not nominating an image to appear with your hook, there is no need to fill in the image-related lines.
  • Add an edit summary e.g. "Nominating YOUR ARTICLE TITLE for DYK" and click Save page.
  • Make sure the nomination page is on your watchlist, so you can follow the review discussion.

In the current nominations section find the subsection for the date on which the article was created or on which expansion began, not the date on which you make the nomination.

  • At the top of that subsection (before other nominations already there, but below the section head and hidden comment) add {{Did you know nominations/YOUR ARTICLE TITLE}}.
  • Add an edit summary e.g. "Nominating YOUR ARTICLE TITLE for DYK" and click Save page.
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How to review a nomination[edit]

Any editor who was not involved in writing/expanding or nominating an article may review it by checking to see that the article meets all the DYK criteria (long enough, new enough, no serious editorial or content issues) and the hook is cited. Editors may also alter the suggested hook to improve it, suggest new hooks, or even lend a hand and make edits to the article to which the hook applies so that the hook is supported and accurate. For a more detailed discussion of the DYK rules and review process see the supplementary guidelines and the WP:Did you know/Reviewing guide.

To post a comment or review on a DYK nomination, follow the steps outlined below:

  • Look through this page, Template talk:Did you know, to find a nomination you would like to comment on.
  • Click the "Review or comment" link at the top of the nomination. You will be taken to the nomination subpage.
  • The top of the page includes a list of the DYK criteria. Check the article to ensure it meets all the relevant criteria.
  • To indicate the result of the review (i.e., whether the nomination passes, fails, or needs some minor changes), leave a signed comment on the page. Please begin with one of the 5 review symbols that appear at the top of the edit screen, and then indicate all aspects of the article that you have reviewed; your comment should look something like the following:

    Article length and age are fine, no copyvio or plagiarism concerns, reliable sources are used. But the hook needs to be shortened.

    If you are the first person to comment on the nomination, there will be a line :* <!-- REPLACE THIS LINE TO WRITE FIRST COMMENT, KEEPING :* --> showing you where you should put the comment.
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If there is any problem or concern about a nomination, please consider notifying the nominator by placing {{subst:DYKproblem|Article|header=yes|sig=yes}} on the nominator's talk page.

Frequently asked questions[edit]


This page is often backlogged. As long as your submission is still on the page, it will stay there until an editor reviews it. Since editors are encouraged to review the oldest submissions first (so that those hooks don't grow stale), it may take several weeks until your submission is reviewed. In the meantime, please consider reviewing another submission (not your own) to help reduce the backlog (see instructions above).

Where is my hook?[edit]

If you can't find the nomination you submitted to this nominations page, it may have been approved and is on the approved nominations page waiting to be promoted. It could also have been added to one of the prep areas, promoted from prep to a queue, or is on the main page.

If the nominated hook is in none of those places, then the nomination has probably been rejected. Such a rejection usually only occurs if it was at least a couple of weeks old and had unresolved issues for which any discussion had gone stale. If you think your nomination was unfairly rejected, you can query this on the DYK discussion page, but as a general rule such nominations will only be restored in exceptional circumstances.

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Instructions for other editors[edit]

How to promote an accepted hook[edit]

  • See Wikipedia:Did you know/Preparation areas for full instructions.
  • Hooks that have been approved are located on the approved nominations page.
  • In one window, open the DYK nomination subpage of the hook you would like to promote.
  • In another window, open the prep set you intend to add the hook to.
  • In the prep set...
    • Paste the hook into the hook area (be sure to not paste in that that)
    • Paste the credit information ({{DYKmake}} and/or {{DYKnom}}) into the credits area.
    • Add an edit summary, e.g. "Promoted [[Jane Fonda]]", preview, and save
  • Back on DYK nomination page...
    • change {{DYKsubpage to {{subst:DYKsubpage
    • change |passed= to |passed=yes
    • Add an edit summary, e.g. "Promoted to Prep 3", preview, and save

How to remove a rejected hook[edit]

  • Open the DYK nomination subpage of the hook you would like to remove. (It's best to wait several days after a reviewer has rejected the hook, just in case someone contests or the article undergoes a large change.)
  • In the window where the DYK nomination subpage is open, replace the line {{DYKsubpage with {{subst:DYKsubpage, and replace |passed= with |passed=no. Then save the page. This has the effect of wrapping up the discussion on the DYK nomination subpage in a blue archive box and stating that the nomination was unsuccessful, as well as adding the nomination to a category for archival purposes.

How to remove a hook from the prep areas or queue[edit]

  • Edit the prep area or queue where the hook is and remove the hook and the credits associated with it.
  • Go to the hook's nomination subpage (there should have been a link to it in the credits section).
    • View the edit history for that page
    • Go back to the last version before the edit where the hook was promoted, and revert to that version to make the nomination active again.
    • Add a new icon on the nomination subpage to cancel the previous tick and leave a comment after it explaining that the hook was removed from the prep area or queue, and why, so that later reviewers are aware of this issue.
  • Add a transclusion of the template back to this page so that reviewers can see it. It goes under the date that it was first created/expanded/listed as a GA. You may need to add back the day header for that date if it had been removed from this page.
  • If you removed the hook from a queue, it is best to either replace it with another hook from one of the prep areas, or to leave a message at WT:DYK asking someone else to do so.
  • Add a link to the nomination subpage at Wikipedia:Did you know/Removed to help in tracking removals.

How to move a nomination subpage to a new name[edit]

  • Don't; it should not ever be necessary, and will break some links which will later need to be repaired. Even if you change the title of the article, you don't need to move the nomination page.


Older nominations[edit]

Articles created/expanded on August 23[edit]

Keystone State Wrestling Alliance

Created/expanded by Gvstaylor1 (talk). Self-nominated at 11:01, 24 August 2017 (UTC).

  • Seems like a solid DYK but the "(or is a fan of)" could be removed based on the fact it suggests it is not sure about it.Tintor2 (talk) 22:02, 28 August 2017 (UTC)
Fixed that. Anything else? Gvstaylor1 (talk) 15:44, 30 August 2017 (UTC)
Every paragraph needs at least one citation, yet there are whole sections with no citations at all. See "Birth of the KSWA 2000-2005," "Modern Era 2005-Current," "Fan Fest," and "Millvale Days." A cursory glance also shows that there are many quotations which are not cited. --Usernameunique (talk) 17:16, 1 September 2017 (UTC)
I am still working on it, most of it is recorded by my father who is the "Ring Announcer/Writer" currently. So I am trying to write it in such a way that it is not seen as a advertisement but more of the encyclopedia history. He has been adding things as well. Citations will be added.Gvstaylor1 (talk) 18:18, 1 September 2017 (UTC)

Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Citations added, article is now ready for a full review. --Usernameunique (talk) 05:26, 8 September 2017 (UTC)

  • Symbol delete vote.svg Substantial updates have been made, but there are still some sections that require sources. The "Roster" section is entirely unsourced. Each row within "Joe Abby Memorial Tournament" needs a source. Same goes for "Mario Ferraro Sr. Memorial Tournament", "KSWA Hall of Fame", and "Championships" (current and former). I noticed that the paragraphs before the boxes have a source, but I clicked the source to see if the information below was cited and it wasn't. In addition, there is 85.8% copyright violation in this article. Please make sure to paraphrase sources/write stuff in your own words. Please fix this as soon as you can. Other things check out: new, long enough, no QPQ (editor's first DYK), neutral, and reliable sources used. Cheers, MX () 09:02, 10 September 2017 (UTC)

How can you copy-write violate something that the same person wrote it? You don't. And how is it violated? It's being entirely rewritten for the most part.Gvstaylor1 (talk) 01:49, 11 September 2017 (UTC)

@Gvstaylor1: Hi, I don't think I understand what you are trying to tell me. Are you telling me you wrote the source? According to Eargwig, a tool we use to see if the article's text matches the sources cited, there seems to be a lot of similarity between the article's text and this source here. Please go here to see what I'm referring to. There are two paragraphs that seem problematic. In order for this to pass, you or someone else would have to paraphrase the source's text. Let me know if you have any questions or need further assistance. I apologize in advance is there is any misunderstanding. Cheers, MX () 02:22, 11 September 2017 (UTC)
Symbol possible vote.svg Thanks for your work on this MX and Gvstaylor1. Just changing the review tag. The orange x means the article is an almost certain no (and closes the nomination after a few days), while this one just indicates that there are some problems to be worked out before approval, which seems more appropriate here. --Usernameunique (talk) 03:20, 11 September 2017 (UTC)
Gvstaylor1 - Thank you for reaching out at my talkpage. I'm still getting an 84% plagiarism rate on our copyright detector. Are you able to view the page? The left side is the article's prose; the red marks are phrases that match the right part, the sources you used. It is OK when certain phrases match (i.e. names and dates), but we cannot have whole paragraphs match. You need to rewrite these entirely. MX () 15:24, 15 September 2017 (UTC)
@MX: I cannot see the pageGvstaylor1 (talk) 15:50, 15 September 2017 (UTC)
@Gvstaylor1: Hmmm, try accessing here with another engine (Chrome, Firefox, Internet Explorer, etc.) and adding the title of the article in "Page title". Then click submit. Let me know. MX () 16:30, 15 September 2017 (UTC)
Gvstaylor1, any progress in rewording the copied content? Sourcing looks pretty good: just missing sources for the winners of the Mario Ferraro Sr. Memorial Tournament. Also, you have two paragraphs (about the “Best Place To Stand Around With A PBR”) that say the same thing. Thanks, --Usernameunique (talk) 00:46, 19 September 2017 (UTC)

@Usernameunique: I'm currently away from home for a week or 2. Sorry, emergency personal issesGvstaylor1 (talk) 23:59, 19 September 2017 (UTC)

Symbol delete vote.svg Because of the nominator's absence and the serious copyright violations (81.8%), I'm calling to close this nomination. MX () 15:43, 23 September 2017 (UTC)+
  • There's still a 81% copyright violation, see here. MX () 01:41, 5 October 2017 (UTC)

If you check the history, you'll see my edits were removed. I've since reverted the page. (talk) 02:49, 5 October 2017 (UTC)

I have checked the IP's removal and while aggressive most of the material they removed was intricate detail not of general interest and much of it was copyvio from here. The current version is okay from a copyright point of view and I have done revision deletion of the copied material. The image File:Formerkswa.png contains material that is over the threshold of originality in my opinion, so I have nominated it for deletion on the Commons. For both the prose and the image I have provided the user with instructions as to how to get an OTRS ticket, as he implies that he may be the copyright holder of this content. — Diannaa 🍁 (talk) 12:59, 5 October 2017 (UTC)

Absolutely Love returning home to find my own work deleted. What the hell kind of Encylapedia is this where you delete the "Under Construction" Banner. Gvstaylor1 (talk) 06:23, 7 October 2017 (UTC)

This is unacceptable that my work was deleted. Hours of work done, and ignoring the under construction banner and the talk page. But I guess reading the percentage rather than actually looking into the copyrighting is more important. If you actually read that copywrite page, it was Event Names, People names, Dates. that is 90% of the article, of fucking course it will be close. How do you paraphrase and already paraphrased history both written by the same person? Explain that to me. Do you go around Vandalizing all pages with Construction banners? Diannaa MX Tell me how to do the damn OTRS pending before deleting everything. Gvstaylor1 (talk)`
We're not allowed to host copyright material on this wiki, not even temporarily for editing, and the presence of a "under construction" banner does not make an article an exception to this policy. I have restored the material since you have now tagged the page as OTRS pending. — Diannaa 🍁 (talk) 12:48, 7 October 2017 (UTC)
Symbol possible vote.svg This nomination must be held until the pending OTRS request has been processed and licensing of the source confirmed. Diannaa, is there any way such requests can be expedited? Also, it should be noted that an "Under construction" banner itself reads, If this article or section has not been edited in several days, please remove this template. It is not a banner with any permanence on Wikipedia, and its removal was completely proper. BlueMoonset (talk) 23:09, 7 October 2017 (UTC)
Expediting an OTRS ticket requires an OTRS agent, which I am not. You could try posting at Wikipedia:OTRS noticeboard. — Diannaa 🍁 (talk) 23:26, 7 October 2017 (UTC)

Well seeing that this and the talk page both asked for time, i guess people editing these pages can't have lives outside editing Wikipedia pages. The under construction page does not give you the right to delete the entire page, after requesting multiple times instruction on how to release things to no reply. Gvstaylor1 (talk) 04:32, 10 October 2017 (UTC)

Hi Gvstaylor1, I'm responding to the message in my talkpage. There is a 81% copyright violation, and there are entire paragraphs in the article that are exactly the same as the source. It is fine to have matches if they are names, but having entire paragraphs match when they can be rephrased is unacceptable. Are you able to access Earwig? Let me know how I can help and if you need additional time. MX () 16:37, 10 October 2017 (UTC)
MX funny how the new update is back to 81% copy write when i was down to 72%, but that got deleted. (Shows 85% for me on that stupid website) I will be waiting for the copywrite release to be finished. Before making any other changes. Gvstaylor1 (talk) 04:55, 11 October 2017 (UTC)
I didn't delete anything myself. Anyhow, 72% is still quite high... MX () 14:09, 11 October 2017 (UTC)
I know it is, but it's kind of hard to rewrite it when someone deletes it. Now I'm just jumping through hoops because I'm tired of it being deleted every time i edited it. Gvstaylor1 (talk) 15:55, 12 October 2017 (UTC)

It has been applied. We ok to proceed now? Gvstaylor1 (talk) 17:00, 17 October 2017 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on September 18[edit]

Winfield Hancock presidential campaign, 1880

Created by Futurist110 (talk). Self-nominated at 01:28, 18 September 2017 (UTC).

I have now reviewed this DYK? nomination: Template:Did you know nominations/Bernice C. Downing. Futurist110 (talk) 01:37, 18 September 2017 (UTC)
Futurist110 Please revise the hook; at 219 characters, it's 19 over the maximum of 200. --Usernameunique (talk) 01:55, 18 September 2017 (UTC)
Done; indeed, it should be good enough now. Futurist110 (talk) 02:07, 18 September 2017 (UTC)
The new hook lacks enough context to make it understandable, especially for non-US readers. In particular, "the election": what election? May I suggest a small rewording:
David Eppstein (talk) 00:30, 20 September 2017 (UTC)
Excellent advice! Indeed, let's use your re-worded hook here, shall we? Futurist110 (talk) 18:43, 20 September 2017 (UTC)
It could be shortened further. I suggest the following. Full review upcoming. Antony–22 (talkcontribs) 17:52, 21 September 2017 (UTC)
Symbol possible vote.svg @Futurist110: New and long enough, QPQ done, Earwig detects no copyvios. The entire article is based on a single source (plus a results map), which is probably accurate, but it's unclear what kind of editorial control they use. I'd like to see more reliable sources used to write the article.
Also, the hook fact doesn't check out. The source says "The fake letter... may have undermined support for Garfield in the Far West. He lost California and Nevada by slim margins and narrowly won Oregon." This is weaker than saying that the results were because of the fake letter.
This is a great topic, but it will need some rewriting from additional reliable sources before it can go on the Main Page. Antony–22 (talkcontribs) 18:14, 21 September 2017 (UTC)
I have now added more sources to this article. Also, here is an alternate hook for this article:
ALT2: ... that the forged Morey letter helped 1880 U.S. Presidential candidate Winfield S. Hancock win California and Nevada? (source: http://elections.harpweek.com/1880/Overview-1880-3.htm )
Anyway, please let me know what you think. Futurist110 (talk) 19:00, 21 September 2017 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on September 23[edit]


  • ... that a spectral knight on a white horse is sometimes seen riding toward Weichenwang to visit his lover?
  • Comment: Appropriate for Halloween

5x expanded by Peter Flass (talk). Self-nominated at 17:25, 25 September 2017 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg article expanded sufficiently and big enough overall. Written neutrally. Has (just) enough inline references. Article doesn't say "spectral" or "ghostly" white horse like hook says...Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 13:57, 1 October 2017 (UTC)
  • Comment: the article doesn't refer to either the man or the horse as spectral. However, the final two sentences of that section are both questions, and questions like this have no business in an encyclopedic article. These sentences will have to be revised or removed. I also think that if there is an entire section on Hemmadhäddlers, the term needs to be explained or at least translated so readers understand what the section is about. Also, the word "flurnames" is used but not explained; it is not an English word and should be translated. BlueMoonset (talk) 15:19, 2 October 2017 (UTC)

This article was translated more or less one-for-one from the corresponding German article. You're correct on the lack of reference to the "Schimmelreiter" as spectral. Most Google references that turn up relate to the Theodor Storm novel or movies based on it. From what I have found he is apparently a common character in German folklore, appearing in various places around the country, but little documented. I think between the novel and the other appearances Germans would know he is spectral, but this needs to be added for English speakers. As far as the questions, these are translated directly from the German, and do emphasize the Schimmelreiter's ghostly character. I thought they were appropriate in a section about a character from folklore where the questions are part of the legend, but that' s just my opinion.

As to the Hemmadhäddlers, I was unable to find a translation. The word itself seems (to me) to be Schwäbisch. I hesitate to try to define them, they seem to be another form of boogeymen. Unlike the Schimmelreiter they may be just a local legend.

"Flurnames" is usually translated "field names", which seems to about as useful in translation as the original German Wikipedia has an article on them at Flurname. Peter Flass (talk) 19:41, 3 October 2017 (UTC)

Flurname seems to be ususlly left untranslated. An interesting translatoion might be "microtoponym" - a name for a very small location. Peter Flass (talk) 00:32, 14 October 2017 (UTC)

I added "spectral" to the article and converted the questions to statements. Peter Flass (talk) 12:19, 4 October 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for the comments. I added a citation for Pyrene (it is usually assumed to be Heuneburg rather than here, but the translated article mentions here as a possible location). By chance I watched a video that discussed it just the other day. The Oetinger citation applies to both paragraphs in the "Antiquities" section. It is ref'd in the second para. I don't know where best to put it. Peter Flass (talk) 00:27, 14 October 2017 (UTC)

Can you translate the "flurnames" then in the article? Also, I have added two [citation needed] tags. The comment about Pyrene is pretty significant and should have some sort of supporting citation. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 01:42, 10 October 2017 (UTC)

William Jennings Bryan presidential campaign, 1908

Created by Futurist110 (talk). Self-nominated at 01:12, 23 September 2017 (UTC).

Here is my QPQ for this DYK? nomination: Template:Did you know nominations/Quatre Motets sur des thèmes grégoriens. Futurist110 (talk) 01:17, 23 September 2017 (UTC)
Will review this. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:33, 25 September 2017 (UTC)
Symbol question.svg Interesting facts, on good sources, no copyvio obvious. Article suggestions:
  • I made the portraits smaller. The captions should unmistakably say who is pictured, less prose. Consider to make them a gallery, because they sandwich the text.
  • The lead should summarize facts from the body, thus doesn't need refs.
  • Please read (and it's a first sentence in a section): "Although he was previously the Democratic U.S. Presidential nominee in both 1896 and 1900 (losing to William McKinley both times), Alton Parker's defeat at the hands of President Roosevelt (who succeeded McKinley after his assassination) in 1904 gave William Jennings Bryan an opening to reassert his leadership in the Democratic Party as well as to compete for the 1908 Democratic presidential nomination." That is a sentence which I'd like to see split in two or three. It takes too long until we know who is the subject, - and then not even the subject but "Alton Parker's defeat", which lets the "he" of the beginning hang in the air.
Hook: imagine readers to whom the names say nothing, and perhaps come up with a different fact. I am no friend of piping the article, in general. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:00, 25 September 2017 (UTC)
Please allow me to address all of your concerns here. However, please give me several days. Futurist110 (talk) 02:38, 26 September 2017 (UTC)
Thank you, take all the time you need. One more: I don't need the same ref sentence after sentence in the same paragraph. Just the hook fact needs a duplication. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 05:54, 26 September 2017 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on September 24[edit]

Slovenian railway referendum, 2017

  • ... that Slovenian voters supported the law governing a Divača-Koper railway link upgrade in a referendum, but the turnout was low? Source: RTVSLO.si (in Slovene)

Created by Tone (talk). Self-nominated at 18:39, 25 September 2017 (UTC).

  • Symbol possible vote.svg Article is new, long enough, and meets policy on neutrality, citations, and plagiarism. The content is interesting, but this interest is not reflected in the rather dull hook. The mere use of a national referendum on something mundane like a railway upgrade is worth a hook by itself, so I'd like to see a different one. QPQ has been completed. SounderBruce 00:10, 1 October 2017 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on September 25[edit]

Anonimo Gaddiano

  • ... that the brief biographies of Italian artists by the Anonimo Gaddiano were written before Vasari's Lives, but not published before 1892? Source Wierda: 157, "The first part is devoted to artists from classical antiquity and the second contains the lives and works of a number of Florentine artists, from Cimabue to Michelangelo, as well as a brief survey of Sienese artists." and "At the end of the nineteenth century, annotated transcriptions

were made by Cornelius von Fabriczy (1891) and Carl Frey (1892), and a transcription with brief annotations by Annamaria Ficarra appeared in 1968" - but the Fabriczy was not published until 1893, see EL; 165: "Unfortunately for Bernardo, the appearance of Vasari’s “Vite” in 1550 rendered his “Codice” both superfluous and obsolete". 166 "He stopped work on his manuscript before January 1547"

Created by Fb2ts (talk) and Johnbod (talk). Nominated by Johnbod (talk) at 02:44, 4 October 2017 (UTC).

  • This is a couple of days late to be nominated, which I hope is ok. In fact almost all the writing was done within 5 days of starting. The other nom is I think new to DYK , and fairly new to editing. Johnbod (talk) 02:46, 4 October 2017 (UTC)
  •  Comment: The article was created on September 24, 9 days before the nomination. Jon Kolbert (talk) 02:57, 4 October 2017 (UTC)
Yes indeed - actually just the first edit - nearly all a list - on the 24th. The text was more than x5 expanded on the 25 and subsequent days, if you want to look at it that way. Johnbod (talk) 03:12, 4 October 2017 (UTC)

Unfortunately, the English language Anonima Gaddiano article is currently sporting egregious inaccuracies that are pending resolution -- most notably two in the very first sentence.

1. Anonimo was used to refer to the text's alleged author by the author who is primarily quoted, one might even say paraphrased, in the Wikipedia entry. Said author (Bouk Wierda) acknowledges that they have done this, in footnote [6] of their paper, but by the end of the same paper, said author goes ahead and accepts their own hypothesis -- based on two handwriting samples (ie, the "scholarship" is a bit goofy). Meanwhile, all other texts, and indeed in the Wierda text itself, Anonimo Gaddiano is universally referred as a manuscript.

See also the entries for Anonimo Gaddiano in both the Italian and French versions (at least last time I checked).

2. Furthermore, attempts to locate the use of Anonima Fiorentina as an alternative name for the Anonimo Gaddiano manuscript comes up with only one mention (on the internet, at least), and that mention clearly states that Anonima Fiorentino is an "Augustinian".

Not only is Anonimo Gaddiano not a person, it would appear not to be a manuscript commonly referred to as Anonimo Fiorentino either. See the article's talk page.Fb2ts (talk) 11:00, 7 October 2017 (UTC)

Oh, I thought we had settled this. You obviously haven't looked at the other main ref, the very reputable Dictionary of Art Historians:
"Magliabechiano, Anonimo (or Anonymo) "anonymous author of the Magliabechiano MS"
Date born: fl. 1537-42
Anonymous author of a now fragmental history, likely written after 1541"

Anybody who was already familiar with the subject area knows that the name describes the author not the MS, though it may be used for both. Johnbod (talk) 13:04, 7 October 2017 (UTC)

Aha! Now I see. But the article I started was for the Manuscript. I'd suggest we do a separate one for the Author, but you've put so much work into the original, it makes more sense for me to start fresh. I will start one for Anonimo Gaddiano (Manuscript).

Is there a way for you to append (Author) to the title of the article I originally started for the manuscript, not realizing that it would be interpreted as an article about the author? Fb2ts (talk) 23:20, 7 October 2017 (UTC)

What on earth would be the point of that? So no. Johnbod (talk) 01:25, 8 October 2017 (UTC)
So you think the author deserves an article, but the manuscript doesn't? Fb2ts (talk) 01:43, 8 October 2017 (UTC)
There's no point in 2 effectively identical articles. The article is categorized as both an MS and a person, which is fine. Johnbod (talk) 03:02, 8 October 2017 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on September 26[edit]

Get to Heaven

  • ... that Everything Everything's third album, Get to Heaven, was at one point bookmakers' favourite for the Mercury Prize, but was not ultimately nominated? Source 1: "Despite strong odds from bookmakers in the run up to the announcement, new albums from Blur, Paul Weller, Everything Everything and Laura Marling were not included." (The Telegraph) / Source 2: "Everything Everything are bookmakers’ favourites to win this year’s Mercury Prize ahead of tomorrow’s announcement of the 2015 nominees." (NME)

Improved to Good Article status by Fox (talk). Self-nominated at 15:42, 29 September 2017 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg Gorgeous work, Fox! Length is good, date of promotion checks out, no policy issues, quotes are sourced, and citations abound. I like the mention of bookies in the hook as an item of interest. I would propose two small changes to the hook though - we should include the year of the prize, and I think it reads a little stronger as "but was ultimately not even nominated". Just so the reversal comes through very strongly.
  • I'm not married to that though so I'm fine to strike it if you or any other reviewers hate it. ♠PMC(talk) 03:32, 3 October 2017 (UTC)
  • Thanks for the review, Premeditated Chaos! I'm a little iffy on the "even" construction as it might be seen as editorialising. Happy to hear other thoughts. — fox 23:46, 3 October 2017 (UTC)
  • Yeah I'm not married to it, I just thought it served to emphasize the contrast - that they were the blatant favorite and then weren't nominated at all. It's an interesting reversal. ♠PMC(talk) 23:52, 3 October 2017 (UTC)
ALT2: ... that while bookmakers gave Everything Everything's third album, Get to Heaven, 4/1 odds of winning the 2015 Mercury Prize, it was ultimately not among the 12 nominated? --Usernameunique (talk) 23:04, 11 October 2017 (UTC)
Thanks for the suggestion, Usernameunique :) I think though that UK-style gambling odds might be a little jarring on the main page? I appreciate the extra detail, but I can't imagine the cursory reader will understand "4/1" without more context. — fox 17:50, 12 October 2017 (UTC)
I agree with fox on this one, "bookmakers' favorite" is more obvious to the casual reader. Not being from the UK, when I read "4/1 odds" I think, "yeah and?" not "wow that's crazy I want to know more." ♠PMC(talk) 22:21, 12 October 2017 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on September 27[edit]

Achilleas Kallakis

  • ... that Achilleas Kallakis has been called "Britain's most successful serial confidence trickster"? Source: "Britain's most successful serial confidence trickster, Achilleas Kallakis, faces up to 10 years in jail after being found guilty of duping banks out of more than £750m." (and [1] the source, or cite it briefly without using citation templates)
    • ALT1:... that ...? Source: "You are strongly encouraged to quote the source text supporting each hook" (and [link] the source, or cite it briefly without using citation templates)
  • Reviewed: not yet done

Created by Edwardx (talk) and Philafrenzy (talk). Nominated by Edwardx (talk) at 22:27, 4 October 2017 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg New article and nominated within time. No plagiarism detected and the hook fact is supported by The Guardian. A QPQ is needed and the article could be expanded a little to let the readers know how he did the multi-million pound fraud and how was he caught. --Skr15081997 (talk) 05:20, 9 October 2017 (UTC)

Mausoleum of Abu Huraira

The portico facade, 2010
The portico facade, 2010
  • ... that the Mausoleum of Abu Huraira has been called "one of the finest domed mausoleums in Palestine"? Source: Petersen, 2001, p. 313
    • ALT1:... that the ‘’’Mausoleum of Abu Huraira’’’, also known as the Tomb of Rabbi Gamaliel of Yavne, has been described as "one of the finest domed mausoleums in Palestine”? Source: Petersen, 2001, p. 313

Moved to mainspace by Huldra (talk) and Onceinawhile (talk). Nominated by Huldra (talk) at 22:22, 1 October 2017 (UTC).

  • New enough (but please in future give date moved from draft), long enough, reads well (though a bit confusing on the actual building history, or it its early phases), AGF on hook quote. Earwig finds nothing - or rather one one source that has not been used but should be - I've added a note on the article talk. GTG - signing late. Johnbod (talk) 01:20, 8 October 2017 (UTC)
  • I suggest to wait till the RFC end to solve any NPOV issues. Shrike (talk) 14:30, 6 October 2017 (UTC)
  • Symbol possible vote.svg There was no icon given to the original, unsigned review, but the article should not be approved until problematic sentences like The formation of Jewish sacred place was based on the argument that many Jewish sacred burials were Islamized during history of the region. have been fixed, and the tags in the article related to the RFC have been addressed. BlueMoonset (talk) 23:23, 7 October 2017 (UTC)
Sorry; that was me. It was meant to be GTG at the time, but there has been a fair deal of contentious editing since my review, including Shrike adding the sentence you have rightly highlighted as near-gibberish. Johnbod (talk)
  • Note DYK hook (and to a lesser extent the article) contains some rather strong POV language. The tomb is located within Israel proper (deep withing pre 1967 lines), and the tomb is an officially designated Jewish shrine as Rabban Gamaliel's Tomb which is also how it appears on contemporary maps. Stating the tomb has been described as one the finest in Palestine may confuse the modern reader. That this statement was made by a modern writer in 2001, is an indication of possible bias in the source chosen.Icewhiz (talk) 20:53, 14 October 2017 (UTC)
    • Sigh. That quote is from a Professor in Islamic Archaeology, in UK. That is about as RS as you can get. That you-don't-like-it: yeah, we get it. But unless you have a WP:RS who says that the present language is "strong POV language", then the above is just your 2 cents, Huldra (talk) 21:00, 14 October 2017 (UTC)
      • RS on Islamic Archaeology perhaps (have not checked his creds). Not on geopolitics, where he may have a POV (or his original quote may have been clear in referencing the historic region, if so this has been lost in the quotation). Stating that a location in one country is in a diffrrent entity is tantamount to denying the existence of the former - which is highly POVish.Icewhiz (talk) 21:36, 14 October 2017 (UTC)
        • Actually, no. It is rather standard Archaeology etc, to use the name Palestine, as it has been since the 19th century. It does not refer to a country, but a region, Palestine, Huldra (talk) 21:49, 14 October 2017 (UTC)
          • 1. This is not used by all authors. 2. This is improper for DYK, without context, the current quote to a reader passing by implies that this is not in Israel.Icewhiz (talk) 22:03, 14 October 2017 (UTC)
            • Did you see the article it leads to, Palestine, or without piping: Palestine (region)? It clearly shows that the area includes Israel. Yes, yes, we know that some are allergic to the word "Palestine"...that doesn't mean that WP:RS are allergic to it, too. Huldra (talk) 22:17, 14 October 2017 (UTC)
              • The article is in a better state in this regard in that Israel is in the first sentence (I do however intend to expand the Jewish history and present use). The DYK text is a problem. Using a piped link to a meaning that is not the one usually used, while omitting Israel, conveys an impression to the reader that does not look at the source or click every link. This could be a very nice article and DYK if POV were not asserted.Icewhiz (talk) 03:55, 15 October 2017 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on September 28[edit]

William Carpentier

ALT1 ... that, after Neil Armstrong returned from the Moon, he lived for three weeks with William Carpentier?
ALT2 ... that the "world famous physician" is Dr William Carpentier?

Created by Chetsford (talk). Self-nominated at 02:41, 28 September 2017 (UTC).

  • comment only - A hook that said that after Neil Armstrong returned from the moon he lived for 3 weeks with William Carpentier - would get more clicks. Victuallers (talk) 08:59, 28 September 2017 (UTC) -->
  • Symbol question.svg Nominated one day after creation, and is almost 4000 characters, satisfying length and date criteria. QPQ completed. No copyvio or POV issues detected. There are two minor issues. The first is that the article states he received the "Alumni Award of Distinction", which is not stated in the source provided; however, this link provides that info. The second issue is that the second source doesn't state he became an American citizen, only that he "remained a Canadian citizen until 1993". Is there a source for the full claim? The hooks ALT1 and ALT2 are both short enough; ALT2 is sourced, and ALT1 should probably refer to "quarantine" instead of "lived with", as the latter implies a residential arrangement. Mindmatrix 16:18, 1 October 2017 (UTC)
  • Comment: perhaps the hook could state something to the effect "...that William Carpentier was quarantined with Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin after they returned from the moon?", or maybe that "...that William Carpentier was a physician to astronauts?", though there's nothing inherently wrong with the hooks you've provided, other than the tweak I noted above. Mindmatrix 16:24, 1 October 2017 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on September 29[edit]

Roma Agrawal

Measuring just over a thousand feet, the Shard is the tallest building in the UK
Measuring just over a thousand feet, the Shard is the tallest building in the UK
  • ... that Roma Agrawal played with LEGO and then designed both the tip and bottom of the Shard (pictured)?

Created by Jesswade88 (talk) and Zeromonk (talk). Nominated by Andrew Davidson (talk) at 18:13, 6 October 2017 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg Timing OK, long enough, no copyvio or plagiarism. Unfortunately the information from the hook doesn't seem to be contained in the article-- or at least, the hook seems to suggest she played with Lego to design the Shard; but the article suggests she played with Lego as a child and then some decades later designed the Shard. Can you rework to make that clearer? Otherwise it's a great little tidbit, and the rest of the article is good to go! Owlsmcgee (talk) 22:14, 6 October 2017 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on October 1[edit]

Glauben können wie du

Schlegel in 2017
Schlegel in 2017
  • Reviewed: Matt Page (artist)
  • Comment: We might say that the song was later made part of an oratorio for which he wrote the libretto but would prefer to stick with its content. In October please. Dedicated (in retrospect) to the memory of Allen3, who was asked to resign after he was unafraid and promoted an Easter hymn with a funny hook to the main page.

Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self-nominated at 07:34, 6 October 2017 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg This article is new enough and long enough. The article is neutral and has no copyright problems as far as I can see. The hook however is difficult to interpret. How about - Cwmhiraeth (talk) 18:28, 6 October 2017 (UTC)
Thank you for trying, however I think "yearning" is too strong, and virtue is not in the article, intentionally so. It's more looking at a model, an attitude, - perhaps you can make something along those lines? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:18, 6 October 2017 (UTC)
I like it but miss "lyrics", - I found no room to mention the swinging melody by Raabe, but it sounds now as if Schlegel created all of the hymn. Perhaps drop "hymn" at all? not an attractive word I guess. - I removed a comma.
ALT3 ... that "Glauben können wie du" by Helmut Schlegel (pictured) is addressed to Mary, and relates to her examplary faith, hope and love? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:09, 7 October 2017 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on October 3[edit]

Old Love / New Love

  • ... that "Old Love / New Love" was written by Twin Shadow for the 2013 videogame Grand Theft Auto V, for a fictional radio station he hosted? Source: "[Interviewer] “Old Love/New Love” was recorded for Grand Theft Auto V, and you also lent your voice for the radio host of the “Radio Mirror Park” station in the game. How did you become involved with Rockstar Games?" (Interview) and "The song — released by way of the Grand Theft Auto V soundtrack in 2013, as part of a fake radio channel hosted by Lewis himself"(Tini Mix Tapes)
    • ALT1:... that the Twin Shadow song "Old Love / New Love" was written for the Grand Theft Auto V soundtrack? Source: "[Interviewer] “Old Love/New Love” was recorded for Grand Theft Auto V, and you also lent your voice for the radio host of the “Radio Mirror Park” station in the game. How did you become involved with Rockstar Games?" (Interview) and "The song — released by way of the Grand Theft Auto V soundtrack in 2013, as part of a fake radio channel hosted by Lewis himself"(Tini Mix Tapes)

Created by Tbhotch (talk). Self-nominated at 02:46, 3 October 2017 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg Article new enough at time of nomination, good length, no copyvio, interesting topic, exhaustively referenced. I think the hooks are a bit too wordy and not particularly punchy. The "huh" moment from the hook comes from the fact that the game was written for a fictional radio station, and maybe that should be the meat of the hook. What about "... that "Old Love / New Love" was written by Twin Shadow for a fictional radio station?" To me, at least, that's punchy and intriguing. A Traintalk 09:45, 15 October 2017 (UTC)
My first DYK review so a second opinion may be a good idea.A Traintalk 09:45, 15 October 2017 (UTC)
Hi @A Train:, thanks for the review. I have no problem with your hook suggestion (officially ALT2 below). © Tbhotch (en-2.5). 22:20, 15 October 2017 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on October 4[edit]


Created by TonyTheTiger (talk). Self-nominated at 20:33, 9 October 2017 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg TonyTheTiger, QPQ needed. Otherwise new, in time, long enough, sourced, inline hook citation checks out, neutral any no apparent copyvios. Earwig shows that a chunk of text from the "Cast" section is taken directly from the website, but this is a list where rewriting would accomplish little, and it is cited with both an inline attribution and an inline citation. --Usernameunique (talk) 02:04, 17 October 2017 (UTC)

Pavement light

Light shines up from inside the hollow sidewalk
Light shines up from inside the hollow sidewalk
Light shines up from inside the hollow sidewalk
Light shines up from inside the hollow sidewalk
A sidewalk basement lit by sunlight
A sidewalk basement lit by sunlight
  • ... that the purple jewels set into old sidewalks are vault lights; they light a room inside the hollow sidewalk? Source: [3]
  • Reviewed: Benty Grange helmet, nematophagous fungus
  • Comment: I have a very suitable image promised by the photographer.

Created/expanded by HLHJ (talk). Self-nominated at 02:55, 7 October 2017 (UTC).

Symbol question.svg Interesting article, on good sources, no copyvio obvious. - Sorry for reducing an image to be compatible with mobile devices ;) - I am afraid I'll request more work on images: they should not "sandwich" text between them. Please consider to keep only the most essential ones with the text, dropping others or placing them in the gallery. References: please don't leave any "bare urls" but provide title, publisher, author if known, date if known, accessdate for web, other info for books. I recommend cite templates. Look at any of my articles for examples. - The hook: sorry I don't understand "the purple jewels set into old sidewalks" nor "a room inside the hollow sidewalk". Can you word something as one question, without a semi-colon? - Enough much for now. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:25, 7 October 2017 (UTC)
Belated thanks, Gerda Arendt. I've improved the article along the lines you suggested, but it still needs more work. Here are two alternate images; I favour the first one. "Jewels" is apparently one of the terms for the glass bits; I used it because I thought it evocative. Here's another possible hook, which manages to integrate European and American usage:
Thank you. Let me understand if I understand, we take the second image and could say
ALT4: ... that the purple "jewels" (pictured) in old sidewalks are pavement lights for daylighting a vault inside?
I think we need a different caption, though, mentioning "purple". - The references and images are much improved, thank you! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:37, 14 October 2017 (UTC)

Tawhai Hill, Kānuka Hills, Pūkio Stream

Created by The C of E (talk). Self-nominated at 08:21, 4 October 2017 (UTC).

  • I have reservations. I assume the author means well, but inclusion of this term on the front page of Wikipedia would be extremely disruptive to the business of getting an encyclopedia built, and could have the unintended consequence of causing Wikipedia to be inaccessible to users who are forced to go through content filters, such as schools. For some topics, this may be good practice. But weighing the cost for the benefit, I have to wonder if this is appealing to much beyond a prurient interest. Would the hook be interesting if not for the shock factor? If not, then I'd say it's gratuitous. Is there a way to rewrite the hook in a way that doesn't hold such potential to be disruptive? The articles themselves have very little information about these locations aside from the use of this word in their names, and just barely meet the length criteria for a DYK article. Might I propose something like: ... that in New Zealand, the original place names of Tawhal Hill, Kanuka Hill, and Pūkio Stream all included a racial slur? Owlsmcgee (talk) 08:37, 7 October 2017 (UTC)
  • Indeed, works of literature are covered under WP:Notcensored in my understanding, as are articles intended to create a better understanding of things we deem offensive. Nonetheless, there is also WP:NOTFREESPEECH. We're not engaged in a discussion of the three articles' right to exist (I am in favor), but only whether they should be synthesized and promoted on the front page of Wikipedia, despite its considerable potential to create a disruptive environment and an unwelcoming environment for editors of color. Your article is not being censored, by any means. Whether it should be promoted is another discussion, and one I hope other editors will weigh in on, but I'd also say this fits under WP:Offensive material, in particular: "Offensive material should be used only if its omission would cause the article to be less informative, relevant, or accurate, and no equally suitable alternative is available." Inclusion of a racial slur in a DYK does not, in my opinion, increase the quality of the articles you created, and the inclusion of a racial slur, when other words can be substituted, does not make Wikipedia more informative, relevant, or accurate. I believe a suitable alternative is possible, and I hope you will work with me to come to a consensus on an ALT wording of your hook. Thank you for tolerating my concerns! -Owlsmcgee (talk) 10:14, 7 October 2017 (UTC)
  • Under WP:DYKHOOK, the hook must be "hooky". I feel that in using the other names it doesn't draw people in as much as the former names do. Also it isn't promoting those names, the hook clearly portrays them in a negative light which is right to do. But it would make people want to read about why and the change was made and the process about it. I am treating it encyclopedic as I feel that not including them also make it less informative as these are historic names that only got changed last year after 150ish years of bearing that name. I still prefer to use the originals as I feel it is the best hook that balances the names and public opinion on them. The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 15:01, 8 October 2017 (UTC)
  • I honestly don't see what the issue is. There have been a few other instances of Nigger being on the main page as I recall.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 20:30, 9 October 2017 (UTC)
  • I, too, have reservations; The C of E is no stranger to hooks with this kind of shock value and potential controversy and the subsequent resistance to their use. Using the word "Nigger", bolded, three times in a single hook is akin to waving a red flag in front of a bull, and completely unnecessary as well as inappropriate. The following hook would still be interesting, if far less controversial:
  • No, I don't like that s its a bit dull unless you explain what the "racially offensive" word was. I think we should still use the original. Or at least do this compromise: ALT2... that New Zealand's recently renamed Tawhai Hill, Kānuka Hills and Pūkio Stream use Māori-based names to replace ones based on the word "Nigger"? The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 08:15, 10 October 2017 (UTC)
Support the proposed ALT2. The original seems a little overboard, but we should not avoid the offensive term entirely. --Khajidha (talk) 11:45, 12 October 2017 (UTC)
I support the proposed ALT1. It is, in fact, a more intriguing hook, since it leaves some mystery to be looked into. bd2412 T 21:35, 12 October 2017 (UTC)
  • TonyTheTiger I've done a formal review and it all checks out, QPQ, timing, length, no copyvio or other plagiarism detected. The articles seem to give undue weight to the ethnically dubious etymology of the place names, but that will be handled by the discussion I presume. Anyway, now I am just waiting on a consensus to emerge on that discussion over at WT:DYK#Using the "N" word multiple times in a hook. I've stated my concern and am giving others room to speak on the issue. Owlsmcgee (talk) 02:48, 12 October 2017 (UTC)
  • I will echo here what NewYorkBrad has said in the discussion at WP:DYK. The proposed hook should not be used. bd2412 T 02:57, 12 October 2017 (UTC)
  • I agree. This should not be used. SarahSV (talk) 06:15, 12 October 2017 (UTC)
  • What is the history of the N-word (and F-word) on the main page. I recall The Motherfucker with the Hat being on the main page in uncensored form. I seem to remember a book or manual with the N-word on the main page. I am not a fan of the N-word, but support consistency in employing censorship (or not employing it). I am aware main page standards are changing because I have seen tags put on two of my main page entries in the last month, so maybe I need to catch up.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 12:46, 12 October 2017 (UTC)
    • WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. This is not a question of conforming to past behavior, but advocacy of a course of action that is either maliciously provocative or completely ignorant. Either way, this should lead to DYK topic bans all around for its advocates. bd2412 T 12:57, 12 October 2017 (UTC)
      • BD2412, LOL. Let me get this straight. If I express an opinion different from yours, I should be topic banned? There is an ongoing unresolved debate going on you know. It is possible that there might be a cogent argument that you have not thought of. (The LOL is in no way related to the subject, just the immaturity of someone who thinks anyone who disagrees with them should be topic banned.)--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 21:20, 12 October 2017 (UTC)
        • This is not expressing a different opinion, this is either straight-up GNAA-style trolling, or falling for such trolling. It is exhibiting so complete an absence of the editorial judgment as to make continued access to the main page untenable. bd2412 T 21:23, 12 October 2017 (UTC)
  • To prevent confusion between The C of E's original ALT2 and Jo-Jo Eumerus's new ALT2, I have changed the latter to "ALT2.5" and adjusted Abyssal's comment accordingly. BlueMoonset (talk) 19:06, 12 October 2017 (UTC)
  • The slur is not part of the title. There is no legitimate editorial need to include it in the hook at all. bd2412 T 19:15, 12 October 2017 (UTC)
  • And since when is the hooked fact supposed to be part of the title of the article? --Khajidha (talk) 19:30, 12 October 2017 (UTC)
  • The hooked fact is that the names "contained a racial slur"; there is no legitimate editorial need to include the actual slur. bd2412 T 19:48, 12 October 2017 (UTC)
  • How about ALT4: ... that New Zealand recently renamed Tawhai Hill, Kānuka Hills and Pūkio Stream from names containing a racially offensive term? bd2412 T 19:52, 12 October 2017 (UTC)
    • I am withdrawing my proposed ALT4 in favor of endorsing ALT1, which has the same effect. bd2412 T 21:25, 12 October 2017 (UTC)
  • The article needs to be rewritten. It's currently just 277 words readable prose size, yet it contains the n-word nine times in the text/infobox and three in the references. SarahSV (talk) 19:50, 12 October 2017 (UTC)
    • Word count doesn't matter, it's character count that does according to the DYK rules. The Royal C (talk) 20:05, 12 October 2017 (UTC)
      • The Royal C, that wasn't the point I was making. SarahSV (talk) 21:35, 12 October 2017 (UTC)
  • I am a bit curious on whether a subject can be made notable only for the fact that its name was controversial. I don't actually believe that any of these articles would really survive an AFD. They are just Hills that all were renamed after a bit of controversy. There is no encyclopedic content on any of the hills.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 21:31, 12 October 2017 (UTC)
    • Tony, I agree. SarahSV (talk) 21:35, 12 October 2017 (UTC)
      • They could reasonably be merged into Canterbury, New Zealand#Geography. bd2412 T 21:43, 12 October 2017 (UTC)
        • That would be better. SarahSV (talk) 21:54, 12 October 2017 (UTC)
          • Proposed, at Talk:Canterbury, New Zealand#Proposed merge. bd2412 T 22:04, 12 October 2017 (UTC)
            • I think that is a bit of a back-door deletion. I think it would be fairer to have a full deletion discussion about all of the options at WP:AFD. Possible outcomes include merge, but we should not open the discussion with that as the only alternative.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 22:12, 12 October 2017 (UTC)
              • I have no inherent objection to that course of action, but I think it would inevitably be a slower and more involved process. bd2412 T 22:46, 12 October 2017 (UTC)
                • I think it is the proper process. We never want to just excise content on WP. Almost anything but a WP:CSD should remain an open debate for a week anyways. I am hoping someone else will administer to the nomination, but if not, I'll get to it in a couple of hours.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 23:08, 12 October 2017 (UTC)
  • I have opened Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tawhai Hill--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 01:42, 13 October 2017 (UTC)
  • Symbol possible vote.svg Putting the nomination on hold per DYK rules until the AfD has closed. BlueMoonset (talk) 02:04, 13 October 2017 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on October 5[edit]

Abbie Hutty

Abbie Hutty at Science Foo Camp
Abbie Hutty at Science Foo Camp
  • ... that ExoMars engineer, Abbie Hutty (pictured), is the youngest ever Fellow of the IMechE?
  • Reviewed: Knave-Go-By
  • Comment: The article has been nominated for deletion so we should await the outcome of that discussion.

Created by Jesswade88 (talk). Nominated by Andrew Davidson (talk) at 18:55, 11 October 2017 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg Article is new enough and long enough. It is neutral and there are no apparent copyright problems. It draws on a wide range of sources, the large majority of which are appropriate. A DYK review has been completed. This is an interesting article and would be a good addition to DYK. However, there are some issues. Firstly, the article is currently being considered for deletion. It looks likely to be kept, but should not appear on the front page until the discussion is closed. The other issues need addressing:
  • There are some statements in the article which are not sourced. It may be that some of the existing sources cover them, but (especially as this is a biography of a living person), they need to be explicitly sourced.
  • One sentence is sourced to LinkedIn; although perhaps sufficient for her current job title, it would be great if there is a better source available.
  • The September 2016 edition of The Engineer is referenced, but this needs more detail - which article on which page supports the statement?
  • The page to which the unoosa reference links does not mention Hutty; perhaps a subpage does?
  • The hook is not fully supported by the source, which states that she was (at the time) the youngest Fellow of the Institute of Mechanical Engineers, but not whether she was the youngest ever fellow.
  • The picture is appropriately licensed but is not clear at small size. It could potentially be drastically cropped, but it's probably best not to use it on the front page.
Because of the various sourcing issues, I've not fully reviewed every source used, but will do so if and when the initial issues are addressed. Warofdreams talk 22:50, 16 October 2017 (UTC)
@Warofdreams: I've fixed the sourcing issues. The Engineer reference is an online "Q&A with spacecraft engineer Abbie Hutty" which says "I am the structures engineer on the ExoMars mission", but doesn't verify all the information preceding it, so I've dropped another source in. I don't think the picture is suitable main page material; if wishes were horses and beggars rode the Grand National, I'd use http://www.womanthology.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/Abbie-Hutty-300-x-400.jpg but that's non-free.
If you want a more straightforward hook, I'd go for ALT1 ... that Abbie Hutty hopes there really is Life on Mars? (It'll make David Bowie fans take notice). Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 15:46, 17 October 2017 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on October 6[edit]

International Harp Archive

A Lyon & Healy harp in the archive.
A Lyon & Healy harp in the archive.

Created by JAGrace (BYU) (talk). Self-nominated at 19:49, 12 October 2017 (UTC).


Policy compliance:

Hook eligiblity:

  • Cited: Red XN - The first hook won't do, as explained above. ALT1 is ok
  • Interesting: Green tickY
QPQ: Done.

Overall: Symbol possible vote.svg Andrew D. (talk) 19:46, 15 October 2017 (UTC)

Our Father, Thou in Heaven Above

Martin Luther
Martin Luther
  • ... that "Our Father, Thou in Heaven Above", originally in German as "Vater unser im Himmelreich", by Martin Luther (pictured) and translated in 1863 was one of the more aggressive hymns that challenged Catholic teaching during the Reformation? Source: The Sound of Light: A History of Gospel and Christian Music. Hal Leonard Corporation. p. 28. ISBN 063402938X.

Created/expanded by The C of E (talk). Self-nominated at 09:59, 6 October 2017 (UTC).

Comment: I don't understand how Luther wrote anything in English. Please clarify. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:10, 9 October 2017 (UTC)
Do you mean Vater unser im Himmelreich? I'd suggest you expand that article with what concerns Luther, and reserve the one in English for Winkworth's translation and others, and their position. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:13, 9 October 2017 (UTC)
It has been clarified now. The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 17:15, 9 October 2017 (UTC)
You mean by saying that it was in German originally? Not enough. No original title, no link to the existing article, and no reason to say similar things in both articles. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:37, 9 October 2017 (UTC)
ps: the hook also doesn't work, because the the hymn was not even translated at the time of the Reformation. No English hymn was more or less aggressive then. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:41, 9 October 2017 (UTC)
IT is in the original that it is referencing which has now been mentioned in the hook as you requested. The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 17:45, 9 October 2017 (UTC)
Sorry, I was not clear enough. The English (translated) hymn didn't exist until 1863. It was nothing at the time of the Reformation, 500 years ago. You cannot speak about it in historic context before that, - it's misleading. Expect a merge request. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:33, 9 October 2017 (UTC)
You can if its in relation to the original text which was translated. I have further clarified it for a future reviewer. The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 20:40, 9 October 2017 (UTC)
Some may think they can, - I can't. I can't write Wagner composed The Flying Dutchman. If you look at our featured article about the composer, it's free from such a nonsense claim. You can imitate that quality. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:48, 9 October 2017 (UTC)
ALT1: ... that Catherine Winkworth wrote the hymn "Our Father, Thou in Heaven Above", translating "Vater unser im Himmelreich" by Martin Luther (pictured)? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:57, 9 October 2017 (UTC)

Striking the original hook, which at 229 characters excluding "(pictured)" is far too long for DYK. BlueMoonset (talk) 23:43, 9 October 2017 (UTC)

Symbol redirect vote 4.svg I am trying to get some form of Reformation reference in as that is why I requested for the 500th anniversary. I have reworded the original here and hope this is sufficient. ALT2... that "Our Father, Thou in Heaven Above" was translated from a German language hymn by Martin Luther (pictured), which was one of his hymns that challenged Catholic teaching in the Reformation? The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 20:45, 14 October 2017 (UTC)
I don't know why you want to focus on "aggressive" that day. My idea is the opposite. - I still think the article should be part of the one about Luther's hymn, or be about the translation. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:46, 14 October 2017 (UTC)
I wasn't trying to focus on aggressive, I wanted to focus more on the Reformation hence why I wanted the hook to include it. The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 15:02, 15 October 2017 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on October 7[edit]

Fayoum Light Railway

Transport of the fossils of Wal­ter Grangers Fayoum Expedition, 1907
Transport of the fossils of Wal­ter Grangers Fayoum Expedition, 1907

5x expanded by NearEMPTiness (talk). Self-nominated at 20:45, 14 October 2017 (UTC). Sorry: I had inadvertantly entered this nomination into the section of "Articles created/expanded on October 14" and subsequently removed it at 04:54 on 15 October 2017.NearEMPTiness (talk) 08:41, 15 October 2017 (UTC)

  • Symbol confirmed.svg Although it would see this could be easily expanded past its current length, it is long enough, new enough, well cited (spotted), comes up clean in CYK Check and downright interesting for railfans. Strongly prefer ALT0. Maury Markowitz (talk) 13:00, 16 October 2017 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on October 8[edit]

St Stephen's Church, Ealing

St Stephen's Church in Ealing
St Stephen's Church in Ealing

Created by Andrew Davidson (talk). Self-nominated at 22:02, 15 October 2017 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg This article is new enough and long enough. The image is acceptably licensed, the article is neutral and I detected no copyright issues. The hook facts are correct and cited inline, but I think the hook is misleading, because the bells were not moved because of the complaints but because the building was unsafe. I also think you should mention the building's closure and replacement in the history section. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:37, 16 October 2017 (UTC)
  • Agreed. And it seems that:
ALT1 ... that the bells of St Stephen's in Ealing (pictured) were so loud it prompted comments about "what might almost be termed cruelty"?
...is more "hooky". As above, article is good to go, we just need to agree on a hook. Maury Markowitz (talk) 13:05, 16 October 2017 (UTC)
Actually, a crop of the image might be useful too. The right side is mostly redundant. Maury Markowitz (talk) 13:14, 16 October 2017 (UTC)

Gott sei gelobet und gebenedeiet

Luther in 1526
Luther in 1526
  • ... that the communion song "Gott sei gelobet und gebenedeiet", which Martin Luther (pictured) derived from an older model, entered Catholic hymnals in the 20th century? Source: [6]

5x expanded by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self-nominated at 21:20, 13 October 2017 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg This article has been expanded 5x, is long enough and was nominated within seven days. The image is suitably licensed, and the hook is short enough and the hook fact is sourced inline. There are no copyright issues. With the hook, I assume "derived from an older model" to mean "derived from an older hymn" (the article says that Luther used an older first stanza and melody); could you please confirm this? It's not clear what "model" means. Regards, --Sp33dyphil (talk) 01:38, 15 October 2017 (UTC)
  • Thank you for the review! - At the time when Luther wrote this, there was no congregational strophic hymn singing, - he sort of made that popular. Sorry, the assumption is wrong. The "older model" (as the article explains but perhaps it should come out more clearly, help welcome!) was a refrain of the congregation in German to a sequence sung in in Latin by a Choralschola (as that is called nowö) and chant. Luther made that refrain (with minor changes) the first stanza of his hymn. However worded, it will be too long for this hook, - I took "model" as a summary. Help for the hook's wording is also welcome, to say that it came from the catholic tradition, and is now back to (Roman) Catholic, ecumenically accepted. Luther took A LOT from the tradition, compare other hymns. It's my statement for Reformation Day, - if we can have only one DYK about Reformation that Day, I hope this will be it. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:15, 15 October 2017 (UTC)
  • So according to you, the refrain was from a sequence; according to the article, a sequence "is a chant or hymn". I still don't understand why in what sense hymn as a word is not applicable in this case. Regards, --Sp33dyphil (talk) 08:42, 15 October 2017 (UTC)
  • Sorry, English is not my first language. "Hymn" is a word with too many meanings, for my taste, so I try to avoid it. A national anthem can be a hymn, Luther's strophic songs (in German: "Kirchenlied" = church song) are called hymns, Gregorian chant can be called a hymn. How would a reader know which kind we mean? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:43, 15 October 2017 (UTC)
  • I assume that the main point of the hook is that Luther took a Catholic refrain and use it in his song, and was later readmitted into Catholic services. In that case, I think less emphasis should be placed on the specific type of song that Luther drew inspiration from. Perhaps we could reword the hook as:
  • ALT1:... that the communion song "Gott sei gelobet und gebenedeiet", which Martin Luther (pictured) partially derived from a Catholic chorus, entered Catholic hymnals in the 20th century? What do you think? Regards, --Sp33dyphil (talk) 05:36, 17 October 2017 (UTC)
I like the idea but not the word chorus, - the chorus would be rather the singers of the Latin sequence. "catholic" before the Reformation should be lower case, or avoided ;) - If we have space we can be precise (and elucidate about the little known fact that there was liturgical singing in German before Luther):
ALT2: ... that the communion song "Gott sei gelobet und gebenedeiet", which Martin Luther (pictured) derived from a congregational refrain in German, entered Catholic hymnals in the 20th century? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:53, 17 October 2017 (UTC)
OK. I'm not sure if ALT2 conveys what you wanted to be conveyed as per your first response. I just think that "congregational refrain in German" places emphasis on the type of song, instead of Luther himself, which takes away the impact of the fact that it entered Catholic hymnals. In other words, do you want to emphasise Luther, or the fact that the song was from a the catholic tradition? Thoughts? --Sp33dyphil (talk) 03:58, 18 October 2017 (UTC)


Queen Liliuokalani
Queen Liliuokalani
  • ... that when Queen Liliuokalani (pictured) died on November 11, 1917, her body was not moved from her home until after dark, in keeping with Hawaiian tradition of transporting deceased royalty?

"The body will be taken to Kawaiahao Church tonight about midnight ... It is a custom of Hawaiians not to move the bodies of their royal dead from one place to another except at night."1 Body of Queen Will Be Moved At Midnight: In State Tomorrow

  • Reviewed: Train Track Park (Jerusalem)
  • Comment: We are hoping to have this run on November 11, the centennial anniversary of her death. KAVEBEAR and Mark Miller might want to offer ALT hooks.

Improved to Good Article status by Mark Miller (talk), KAVEBEAR (talk), and Maile66 (talk). Nominated by Maile66 (talk) at 23:31, 8 October 2017 (UTC).

Symbol question.svg Substantial GA on plenty of good sources, no copyvio obvious. - The image is licensed, but I'd expect the other on to show better in small size. - I am not happy with the hook, sorry. Yes, we commemorate her anniversary of death, but couldn't we say something about what made her great (compose, represent for the Golden Jubilee, - pick somthing, also to match the image better). - Article: I don't think we need "American" twice in 2 sentences beginning "Religious beliefs". --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:25, 9 October 2017 (UTC)
You need to be more specific. What "other"? The infobox image? I put a different one in there after this DYK nomination was created. This article is currently at FAC, so feel free to contribute there - we could probably use your input. Well, I'm happy with the hook, because the Hawaiian tradition of not moving deceased royals except at night is somewhat unique. You know ... people might click on it. I actually did a separate article on her death and funeral, because I thought everything around it was so unique. However, I would like @KAVEBEAR and Mark Miller: and even you, Gerda, to offer some ALTs. I think we're all open to different ideas on a hook . — Maile (talk) 17:33, 9 October 2017 (UTC)
KAVEBEAR corrected the second "American" you mention above. — Maile (talk) 17:51, 9 October 2017 (UTC)
Thank you, both. I mean this image. If I word a hook, I can't approve it ;) - If you three agree that the hook is perfect, I will approve it, of course, even if I think it would be a good one for the extra article ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:25, 9 October 2017 (UTC)
  • ALT1...that when Queen Liliuokalani died on at her home, Washington Place (that now serves as the Hawaii State Governor's Mansion), that her body was not moved until night, in keeping with Hawaiian tradition?--Mark Miller (talk) 00:30, 10 October 2017 (UTC)
.I'd also like to second the suggestion by Gerda Arendt for the reasons given as well as that the young image might be better for a DYK involving her birth or early life and the older image is from her brother's coronation.::--Mark Miller (talk) 00:35, 10 October 2017 (UTC)
The image is from her 1898 residence in DC not her brother's coronation. (Source: John Roy Musick (1898). Hawaii, Our New Possessions. Funk & Wagnalls. p. 348. )--KAVEBEAR (talk) 00:50, 10 October 2017 (UTC)
Demonstrate that please or your comment is opinion. Seriously.--Mark Miller (talk) 04:48, 12 October 2017 (UTC)
Can you read the source in the image? I don't understand where you came to the conclusion that it was from her brother's coronation?--KAVEBEAR (talk) 12:56, 12 October 2017 (UTC)

Image has been swapped, so that issue is resolved. Per DYK rules on the image: Wikipedia:DYKIMG "3. It must already be in the article". — Maile (talk) 12:21, 10 October 2017 (UTC)

Striking ALT1, since it uses a parenthetical comments, something not allowed with DYK hooks (except for the "(pictured)" in lead hooks; see WP:DYKSG#C9). BlueMoonset (talk) 04:14, 12 October 2017 (UTC)
OK, since there was no attempt to save that, I will make no attempt to save this. I am against this entire DYK and am prepared to request further comment from projects. Using DYK as an attempt to change long standing images is just wrong. I really think that it should have been mentioned when the image was suggested what would happen. Since I have too much good faith in Gerda. I have to conclude that this article is not ready for DYK or FA.--Mark Miller (talk) 04:47, 12 October 2017 (UTC)
Maile66 Mark Miller Stop. I do not think Maile is "Using DYK as an attempt to change long standing images". Maile has indicate they are willing to go by the majority and also have the DYK image be a non-infobox image. Can you agree on a compromise to continuing using the old image, add the DYK image by Prince to the body and use it for this DYK instead?--KAVEBEAR (talk) 12:56, 12 October 2017 (UTC)
  • Starting over. I said I didn't think the youthful image was suitable to match the original hook. That didn't imply anything for the article. It could have stayed the lead image there, with the other somewhere later where it fits the context, or it could have stayed even for DYK, with a hook to match. The placement of pics in the article should be discussed on the article talk. This DYK nomination is not ready to be approved today, but we still have a month to find something we can agree on. The article is ready. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:22, 12 October 2017 (UTC)
  • ALT2 ... that Queen Liliuokalani (pictured) instructed Bina Mossman's Glee Club in Hawaiian language enunciation when they rehearsed in her royal Washington Place residence? We held many of our early rehearsals at Washington Place, Queen Liliuokalani's home on Beretania Street, which became the Governor's Mansion sometime after her death. The Queen helped us with the correct enunciation of Hawaiian words.1 How's this one @Gerda Arendt and KAVEBEAR:? — Maile (talk) 00:59, 15 October 2017 (UTC)
I like that one, what do others think? - This is your chance to make more things known about her on a highly visited page ;) - For the Main page: please link Hawaiian, - and do reader know glee club? (I didn't) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:21, 15 October 2017 (UTC)
Oh, good, you liked it. I linked what you suggested and rearranged the sentence for a better flow. — Maile (talk) 11:30, 15 October 2017 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on October 9[edit]

Nagtahan Interchange

The Nagtahan Interchange in 2014
The Nagtahan Interchange in 2014
  • ... that the Rotonda de Sampaloc, now the Nagtahan Interchange, originally demarcated the boundary between Manila's suburbs and its urban core? Source: "Straddling the boundary between Sampaloc, San Miguel and Santa Mesa, the interchange was originally known as the Rotonda de Sampaloc, a roundabout which at the turn of the 20th century marked the boundary between Manila's urban core and its suburbs." (1)
  • Reviewed: Doing...

Created by Sky Harbor (talk). Self-nominated at 15:50, 17 October 2017 (UTC).

Grupo Garza Ponce

  • ... that Mexican construction firm Grupo Garza Ponce created the first private industrial park in Nuevo León, Mexico? Source: "Spanish: Ya desde la década de los ochentas, el Grupo GP fue pionero al desarrollar el primer parque industrial privado en Nuevo León" / English: "In the 1980s, the GP Group was a pioneer and developed the first private industrial park in Nuevo Leon" (Milenio)

5x expanded by MX (talk). Self-nominated at 14:29, 10 October 2017 (UTC).


Created by A Den Jentyl Ettien Avel Dysklyver (talk). Self-nominated at 23:26, 9 October 2017 (UTC).

  • @A Den Jentyl Ettien Avel Dysklyver: Is there any reason for the way you've chosen to spell the article title? From what I can see the sources either refer to the village as "Knave Go By" (capitalised) or "Knave-go-by" (with hyphens). 97198 (talk) 05:02, 10 October 2017 (UTC)
  • I have changed the article title to "Knave-Go-By" to reflect what is used by the Ordance Survey (the most reliable source for current UK place names). Originally I just created it from a redlink on the list of places in Cornwall, where it was without hyphens. 16:05, 10 October 2017 (UTC)

Policy compliance:

Hook eligiblity:

  • Cited: Red XN - The hook's wording seems vague enough to cover the different accounts but should be revisited after another round of work on the sources.
  • Interesting: Green tickY
QPQ: None required.

Overall: Symbol possible vote.svg Andrew D. (talk) 18:26, 11 October 2017 (UTC)

  • @Andrew Davidson: Realistically the sources in the article are all I could find on the internet, I suppose some of the suppositions presented in the article could be qualified with constructs like "<person> said in ### that a version of the story widely held to be true by locals is....<insert version here>. -ref-", some advice on this would be appreciated. I put this forward because it is interesting (and the last village redlink in Cornwall to be done) so I thought it would be a good 'did you know' article. Dysklyver 19:11, 11 October 2017 (UTC)
@A Den Jentyl Ettien Avel Dysklyver: I looked for sources myself and agree that it's difficult to find them. There are some extensive accounts of Wesley's activities in Cornwall, e.g The Wesleys in Cornwall, 1743–1789 but they don't seem to have anything specific. I'll take another look after this further round of work and see if we're there yet. More anon. Andrew D. (talk) 08:35, 15 October 2017 (UTC)

AirTrain JFK

An AirTrain vehicle
An AirTrain vehicle
  • ... that before New York City's AirTrain JFK airport rail link was approved in 1995, there had been 21 unsuccessful proposals for direct rail links to New York-area airports? Source: NY Times 1997 "The 8.4-mile project is about a quarter the price of a proposed 22-mile railway linking Manhattan, Kennedy and La Guardia airports that was deemed too costly in 1995, one of 21 proposals that have stalled over the years."
    • ALT A:... that before the 1995 approval of AirTrain JFK, an airport rail link in New York City, there had been 21 unsuccessful proposals for direct rail links to New York-area airports? Source: Same as the main proposed hook
    • ALT1:... that AirTrain JFK, an airport rail link entirely within the New York City borough of Queens, was based on a canceled plan for a one-seat ride to Manhattan? Source: NY Times 1995. "Plans for a rail system linking the two Queens airports and Manhattan have been dead since May. Now, as the Port Authority presses forward with plans for a 7.5 mile monorail connecting the terminals at Kennedy International Airport to the Howard Beach station on the A subway line, community leaders are rethinking their positions."
      Also NY Times 1997: "After nearly 30 years of bickering, false starts and failed attempts to build a rail system linking New York City and its airports, Mayor Rudolph W. Giuliani and Gov. George E. Pataki have agreed on a scaled-down connection to Kennedy International Airport from the train station in Jamaica, Queens, both officials announced yesterday."
    • ALT2:... that AirTrain JFK, an airport rail link in New York City, took almost 30 years to plan? Source: NY Times 1997. "After nearly 30 years of bickering..." and "The 8.4-mile project is about a quarter the price of a proposed 22-mile railway linking Manhattan, Kennedy and La Guardia airports that was deemed too costly in 1995, one of 21 proposals that have stalled over the years."
  • Comment: I will do a QPQ later.

Improved to Good Article status by Epicgenius (talk). Self-nominated at 21:46, 9 October 2017 (UTC).

Symbol question.svg Substantial, well-researched Good article, no copyvio obvious. Just qpq missing, and biblio 8 and 9 are not used. The image is licensed and would draw more attention to a fine article. I like ALT2 best, short and sweet ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:56, 13 October 2017 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on October 10[edit]

Siegfried Fietz

Siegfried Fietz in 2012
Siegfried Fietz in 2012
  • Reviewed: Architecture of Seattle
  • Comment: We could also say that his "swinging" "light" melody entered hymnals, or (as the source says) that generations of guitarists would prefer his melody (there are 70 others).

Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self-nominated at 16:53, 17 October 2017 (UTC).

Schizomyia viticola

S. viticola galls on a Vitis sp. leaf.
S. viticola galls on a Vitis sp. leaf.
  • ... that although the gall midge Schizomyia viticola can produce up to 135 galls (pictured) on a single grape vine leaf, the plant is not harmed? Source: "The galls are usually very numerous upon a leaf, as many as 135 occurring on one taken here in Augsut 1897: but though they may be found very thick upon a few leaves, I find no record of their ever having been very injurious."[8]
    • ALT1:... that the gall midge Schizomyia viticola produces red or green conical-shaped galls (pictured) on grape vines? Source: "Grape-vine tube gall [...] Narrow, elongated or conical. Green or bright red. In numbers on upper side of the leaves of wild grapes." [9]
  • Reviewed: Not needed yet, this is my 4th nomination

Created by Umimmak (talk). Self-nominated at 16:37, 16 October 2017 (UTC).

County courthouses in New Jersey

Essex County Courthouse
Essex County Courthouse
  • Reviewed: to follow

Created by Djflem (talk). Self-nominated at 20:04, 12 October 2017 (UTC).

  • Symbol possible vote.svg @Djflem: Nominated for DYK two days after creation. This article is currently too short to satisfy DYK length criteria - it has just over 1000 bytes of prose, which is 500 bytes short of the requirement of 1500, as tables and lists are not considered when determining the length of the article (see WP:DYKRULES, points 2b and 2c). Several of the sources used are simply landing pages for the site or subsite in question. For example, ref 2 and ref 3 don't have much (if any) prose, and have a list of entries, which don't match the text of the article. (In particular, the text: "Each county has its own courthouse, and some counties have different facilities for different divisions, such as the criminal, civil, family, and finance courts.") The hook is suitably short with references, but it's not particularly interesting. I suggest expanding the article with something interesting about one or two of the courthouses from the list, for example the oldest one, or one which may have been controversial for some reason. As an example, I see that the second Bergen County Court House was burned by the British during the Revolutionary War in 1780, and that the Hunterdon County Courthouse was site of the Trial of the century. I'm sure there's plenty more material from which to draw to expand this article and find a much more interesting hook. Mindmatrix 23:29, 13 October 2017 (UTC)

Current nominations[edit]

Articles created/expanded on October 11[edit]

Boiled leather

Boiled leather pickelhaube
Boiled leather pickelhaube

5x expanded by Johnbod (talk). Self-nominated at 19:02, 17 October 2017 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on October 12[edit]

Colorado potato beetle

Adult beetles
Adult beetles
  • ... that the Colorado potato beetle (pictured) has developed resistance to all major classes of insecticide? Source: "Although additional insecticides were developed and deployed over the past thirty years, the insect has with increasing rapiodity become resistant to all of them."

Improved to Good Article status by Zakhx150 (talk). Nominated by Cwmhiraeth (talk) at 08:21, 14 October 2017 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on October 13[edit]

White plague (coral disease)

  • ... that white plague, a disease affecting corals, may be two or more diseases with similar symptoms?
    • ALT1:... that precisely what pathogen causes white plague in corals is unclear?

Created by Cwmhiraeth (talk). Self-nominated at 06:04, 17 October 2017 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on October 14[edit]

Lazar Bach

  • ... that Latvian-born Lazar Bach became chair of the Communist Party of South Africa, but died in a Gulag? Source: Donald F. Busky, Communism in History and Theory: Asia, Africa, and the Americas, p.136 and Ed. Apollon B. Davidson et al, South Africa and the Communist International: Volume 1, pp.18-20

Created by Warofdreams (talk). Self-nominated at 22:28, 16 October 2017 (UTC).

Gloria (Rutter)

  • ... that Gloria was John Rutter's first commission from the United States, setting the sacred text as a concert piece in three movements for choir, brass, percussion and organ? Source: several
    • ALT1:... that the three movement's of John Rutter's Gloria were described as "exalted, devotional and jubilant"? Source: described by the composer, but critics agree

5x expanded by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self-nominated at 20:35, 16 October 2017 (UTC).

Ashley Hatch

5x expanded by Hmlarson (talk). Self-nominated at 08:20, 15 October 2017 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on October 15[edit]

Carillon and Grenville Railway

Created by Maury Markowitz (talk). Self-nominated at 13:01, 16 October 2017 (UTC).

Vector General

Created by Maury Markowitz (talk). Self-nominated at 13:09, 16 October 2017 (UTC).

Ballot laws of the Roman Republic

Romans casting a ballot
Romans casting a ballot
  • that the ballot laws introduced the secret ballot (voting pictured) to all popular assemblies in the Roman Republic? Source: first sentence of [10]
    • ALT1:that the ballot laws introduced the secret ballot for electoral, judicial, and legislative votes (voting pictured) in the Roman Republic? Source: "The Lex Gabinia of 139 introduced for the first time secret ballot into elections; there followed a series of laws extending this right — the Lex Cassia of 137 about non-capital prosecution, the Lex Papiria of 131 about legislation and the Lex Coelia of 107 about capital prosecutions." (Cambridge Ancient History, 2nd Edition, Volume IX, p.45)

Created/expanded by Bowlhover (talk). Self-nominated at 08:18, 17 October 2017 (UTC).

Jean Ginsburg

Created by 97198 (talk). Self-nominated at 13:19, 16 October 2017 (UTC).

Teté Puebla

  • Reviewed: QPQ done here.

Created by A Train (talk). Self-nominated at 10:00, 15 October 2017 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on October 16[edit]

William Smellie (obstetrician)

  • ... that ... there are many controversies surrounding William Smellie's medical and educational pursuits and some historians believe he even used illegal methods to obtain corpses. (and [link] the source, or cite it briefly without using citation templates)

5x expanded by Scarycheerio123 (talk) and BaiCaiXue (talk). Nominated by Scarycheerio123 (talk) at 18:14, 12 March 2017 (UTC).

  • This article was created by students for a Spring 2017 course, but the nomination was never transcluded on the DYK nominations page (see WT:DYK#Untranscluded nominations). I have improved the referencing and am submitting an alt hook for consideration. Yoninah (talk) 23:48, 16 October 2017 (UTC)

1982 Bristow Helicopters Bell 212 crash

  • ... that the 1982 Bristow Helicopters Bell 212 crash was one of three fatal helicopter accidents that company suffered in little more than a year in the North Sea? Source: "A former Labour Cabinet Minister, Mr David Ennals, yesterday repeated his call for a full inquiry by the Trade Department into helicopter safety after a third Bristow helicotper in 13 months crashed in the North Sea early yesterday," McLain, Lynton. "UK News: Helicopter safety call". Financial Times (15 September 1982).

Created/expanded by Eggishorn (talk). Self-nominated at 23:44, 16 October 2017 (UTC).

Place D'Youville (Quebec)

5x expanded by Jon Kolbert (talk). Self-nominated at 02:51, 16 October 2017 (UTC).

Phantom Blood

A photograph of the sculpture Apollo and Daphne, depicting one woman and one man.
A photograph of the sculpture Apollo and Daphne, depicting one woman and one man.

Improved to Good Article status by IDV (talk). Nominated by Narutolovehinata5 (talk) at 13:09, 16 October 2017 (UTC).

  • What stood out to me as I researched the series and wrote the article was definitely the Apollo and Daphne influence you mentioned. It's unusual and interesting, and it's what Hirohiko Araki's art is well-known for.--IDVtalk 13:36, 16 October 2017 (UTC)

Architecture of Seattle

Interior of the Duwamish Longhouse, Seattle
Interior of the Duwamish Longhouse, Seattle
  • Comment: This has been a long time as a draft. User:Bri requested that it be moved to main space. I (Jmabel) might have held off a bit longer, but since it's been moved, a DYK is now or never, so I'm requesting one.

Created by Jmabel (talk). Self-nominated at 03:55, 17 October 2017 (UTC).

  • Comment I don't see any good way to work the title of this particular article into the hook without making the hook clunky, but I'm open to ideas.
  • I've now reviewed Burebista. - Jmabel | Talk 04:22, 17 October 2017 (UTC)
  • You will have to bold something, and don't think you can bold the whole piped phrase. How about this:
ALT1: ... that several buildings in Seattle deliberately evoke traditional regional Native American architecture (example pictured)? - I am willing to review, but have no time right now, perhaps later today. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:09, 17 October 2017 (UTC)
Thank you. I looked at the other four, but think this one is best in small size. Now review:
Symbol question.svg Substantial article, with more than 100 good references, and well illustrated. Hook interesting, and with a good licensed image. Article: we'll have to look at different aspects.
  • We should normally have only information in the lead that is a summary of facts in the body, then the lead doesn't need any citation. Please move them to the facts below.
  • I am not happy with the long captions in the galleries. You could do two things: make the images larger, or organize images and commentary horizontally, as for example here.
  • I'd prefer the more general section about architects more at the beginning, - was quite surprised that it came after all ;)
  • I have never seen references and links to Wikimedia within a section, - wonder what other think about that.
  • I wonder if the detailed lists should even go to a separate article. Enough for now, I guess? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:36, 17 October 2017 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on October 17[edit]

Topolnița Cave

  • ... that Topolnița Cave is home to the largest colony of greater horseshoe bats in Europe...? Source: [11] "...final count yielded 7,482 greater horseshoe bats. This number means that the colony is by far the largest aggregation of this species in Europe..."

Created by Premeditated Chaos (talk). Self-nominated at 22:53, 17 October 2017 (UTC).


Created by Fitindia (talk). Self-nominated at 16:58, 17 October 2017 (UTC).

Odontomachus pseudobauri

Odontomachus pseudobauri head
Odontomachus pseudobauri head
  • ... that the ant Odontomachus pseudobauri (pictured) was bought from an amber dealer in Basel, Switzerland? Source: "A. (accession in this paper)(Fig. 2) purchased in Basel by Cesare Baroni Urbani from Mrs. Edith Bloch of the "The Amber Collection" of Puerto Plata" (DeAndrade, 1994 pg. 3)

Created by Kevmin (talk). Self-nominated at 04:25, 17 October 2017 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on October 18[edit]

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