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June 24[edit]

List of UK Singles Chart number ones of the 2010s[edit]

Hi, on List of UK Singles Chart number ones of the 2010s, the last images at the side (which go down too far as well) don't mention Drake and Ed Sheeran's other number ones that decade or the year which they became number one, does anyone know what can be done to make this article better?--Theo Mandela (talk) 00:27, 24 June 2017 (UTC)

Family of Catherine, Duchess of Cambridge[edit]

Please help - I have stuffed up rather badly with adding a pic/file. It is in the "Lawyers" section of this page. Please help Srbernadette (talk) 02:00, 24 June 2017 (UTC)

 Done Eagleash (talk) 03:07, 24 June 2017 (UTC)

So sorry - I have corrected the title and date on a file uploaded 4 hours ago. It is in the same section - lawyers - on this page. I have changed to correct identity - i.e. William Middleton Esq., of Gledhow Grange Estate, near Leeds (1839-1887). But it is now all wrong. Sorry. Please help. (talk) 05:38, 24 June 2017 (UTC)

Incorrect file name - "File:John W. Middleton Esq. of Fairfield, the estate in Far Headingley, near Leeds.jpg"

The correct name of the man is now on the article itself but the original incorrect name is on the file (see above). The file name should be "William Middleton, Esq., of Gledhow Grange Estate, near Leeds". NOT what it currently is named - i.e John Middleton...". What can I do to get it all correct? Please help. Thanks again. (talk) 06:13, 24 June 2017 (UTC)

If you wish to request renaming of a file, you can place the {{rename media}} template on the file description page. The request will later be completed by an administrator or file mover. eurodyne (talk) 07:29, 24 June 2017 (UTC)
I have done what you said and a red-coloured "Template" with the correct file name is now seen half way down the page but the file name at the top of eth page is still incorrect (i.e. John W. Middleton....):,_the_estate_in_Far_Headingley,_near_Leeds.jpg

Please let me know if it is OK Thanks Srbernadette (talk) 07:53, 24 June 2017 (UTC)

@Srbernadette: I have reformatted your request at Wikimedia Commons. Be patient, and someone there will review it and probably rename the file for you. -- John of Reading (talk) 08:14, 24 June 2017 (UTC)
I notice file is being claimed as 'own work'. Is that actually the case? See this Google search. Eagleash (talk) 08:18, 24 June 2017 (UTC)
The image is on our laptops - and may have been photographed at Sutton Park, near York where there was a display of Lupton family/Middleton memorabilia. We certainly photographed (phone) at the display in May 2017 another photo of Potternewton Hall Estate. All good I hopeSrbernadette (talk) 23:36, 25 June 2017 (UTC)

Reference error[edit]

Anyone good at spotting reference errors? I've created one (or maybe two) at Gypsy horse, and can't track it down. Thanks in advance, Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 12:07, 24 June 2017 (UTC)

@Justlettersandnumbers: I think you are the latest victim of a long-standing bug in the software, phab:T22707. You can use <ref>...</ref> tags inside {{efn}} footnotes, but it all very fragile if you try to define the efn footnotes inside the {{notelist}}. At Gypsy horse the error seems to go away if you move the definition of note "a" up to where it is used. -- John of Reading (talk) 12:13, 24 June 2017 (UTC)
 Done. Thanks for identifying the problem, John of Reading, I'd never have got there on my own. As you can imagine, I'd have been more pleased to find that it was a dumb mistake on my part than an unresolved error in the software. Thanks again! Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 13:26, 24 June 2017 (UTC)

Template:Old prod full[edit]

Hello, I would like to ask what exactly the word "full" is supposed to refer to here? I really couldn't figure that out, yet! Best--Curc (talk) 13:37, 24 June 2017 (UTC)

There used to be a template called {{old prod}}. That one was for prods that were removed before it was deleted. Old prod full was for prods that had been deleted and restored (went through the full prod process). The two were consolidated into one template as the result of Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2014 January 19. ~ GB fan 13:50, 24 June 2017 (UTC)
Dear ~ GB fan, thank you very much for your explanation! Best wishes--Curc (talk) 14:58, 24 June 2017 (UTC)

Wikipedia:WikiProject Resource Exchange[edit]

Hello, it might be a silly question but I'll venture it anyway: Why is the word "resource" used here – instead of "source"? I mean, we're talking about references, meaning written material to provide scientific evidence, which would be clasically referred to as a source, right? Sorry, if this seems awkward, but I'm not a native speaker... Best--Curc (talk) 18:06, 24 June 2017 (UTC)

@Curc: Symbol move vote.svg Have you tried the Language section of Wikipedia's Reference Desk? They specialize in answering knowledge questions there; this help desk is only for questions about using Wikipedia. For your convenience, here is the link to post a question there: click here. I hope this helps. This Quora article may also be of help.  Seagull123  Φ  18:19, 24 June 2017 (UTC)
@Curc: maybe also ask at that WikiProject's talk page?  Seagull123  Φ  18:21, 24 June 2017 (UTC)
@Curc: Well, because it also means things like pictures so that people can illustrate them, not just written material. For example, I recall that somebody was once trying to get images of a pharaoh or something of the sort to make an illustration of the pharaoh. RileyBugz会話投稿記録 18:29, 24 June 2017 (UTC)
Ah, okay. Thank you all for your help! RileyBugz made me realize that this project is not only about written sources in the traditional sense. Hence, the term "resource".--Curc (talk) 23:18, 24 June 2017 (UTC)

Image appearing in unexpected place[edit]

Hi, please see [1]. The image "Brading Station, IW, UK (2).jpg" is placed in the source immediately below the "History" heading, yet in the displayed article it appears down at the bottom of the page. Does anyone know why this is happening and how to fix it? Mypix (talk) 19:52, 24 June 2017 (UTC)

@Mypix: Fixed with Template:Stack.[2] Please add captions to images in articles. End the image syntax with |caption here]]. PrimeHunter (talk) 20:32, 24 June 2017 (UTC)
It is simpler to just place images floating at the right side after the first image. Ruslik_Zero 20:38, 24 June 2017 (UTC)
Thanks. Mypix (talk) 20:58, 24 June 2017 (UTC)

Creating a contents page[edit]

I see a lot of contents pages on wikipedia articles and Im creating a page right now, how do I add a contents page?

DarthOdious2002 (talk) 21:31, 24 June 2017 (UTC)

@DarthOdious2002: If you mean a table of contents then it automatically appears when there are at least four section headings. See more at WP:TOC. If you mean something else then please clarify it. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:43, 24 June 2017 (UTC)

Created page being deleted[edit]

I have been told the following:

'All biographies of living people must have at least one source that supports at least one statement made about the person in the article'

How am I supposed to prevent the article from being deleted? What sort of source should the person be included in? How do I do this?

DarthOdious2002 (talk) 21:54, 24 June 2017 (UTC)

Yes check.svg I gather that this is about Robbie Cowling, and you seem to have figured it out, it appears. Herostratus (talk) 22:09, 24 June 2017 (UTC)
(edit conflict) @DarthOdious2002: I've removed the template proposing deletion (for reference, from Robbie Cowling), as it now has two references, however, I would strongly recommend adding more references to the article, as it is a biography of a living person. If you need help doing so, go to this page. I would also suggest reading Your First Article, describing everything you need to write an article on Wikipedia.  Seagull123  Φ  22:11, 24 June 2017 (UTC)
But both references are to articles based on interviews with Cowling, and so not independent. The article as it is now offers no acceptable evidence of notability. Maproom (talk) 07:18, 25 June 2017 (UTC)
(Oops! I missed spotting that!) Dbfirs 07:41, 25 June 2017 (UTC)
I would suggest that the advice be rephrased as: "All biographies of living people must have at least one source that supports every statement made about the person in the article." We have too many biographies that make unsupported claims. Dbfirs 07:04, 25 June 2017 (UTC)
The quote above, if I am not mistaken, Dbfirs, is from the page that defines when an article is subject to WP:BLPPROD, that is prompt deletion for being unsourced. For that purpose, a single source is indeed sufficient. And honestly a biography in which every statement was cited inline would be a grossly over sourced mess. WP:BLUE often applies. DarthOdious2002 It will be much easier if you start new articles by using the Article wizard to create a draft under the Articles for Creation project. Then such requirements can be fulfilled in multiple edits over a period of time before the draft is submitted and reviewed. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 12:20, 25 June 2017 (UTC)
I didn't realise it was a quote so I just suggested an ideal, having seen the problems we have with unsourced claims in some biographies. I agree with you that my suggestion might be rather over the top (and certainly would be for general non-biographical articles with statements like "grass is green"). I agree that it would not be expected in a first draft. Dbfirs 15:28, 25 June 2017 (UTC)

William (Bill) Clark (Geographer Demographer)[edit]

I cannot find the article to upload WilliamAVClark (talk) 22:57, 24 June 2017 (UTC)

Replied at Wikipedia:Teahouse#Uploading an article. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:08, 24 June 2017 (UTC)

June 25[edit]

Wikipedia categories[edit]

How does one create a new Wikipedia category? Thanks. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 03:08, 25 June 2017 (UTC)

Add the category to an article just like any existing one. It'll show up as a redlink. When you click on it, you can add sub parent categories, criteria, etc. It's also explained in much more detail at Wikipedia:Categorization#Creating category pages.Clarityfiend (talk) 06:33, 25 June 2017 (UTC)
Small clarification: You can add parent categories by editing the new category. Subcategories are added by editing the page for the subcategory. Category pages are created like other pages. Adding the category to an article and clicking the red link is just one method. PrimeHunter (talk) 09:25, 25 June 2017 (UTC)

Thanks, all! Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 15:57, 27 June 2017 (UTC)

Catherine, Duchess of Cambridge[edit]

I cannot put the accent over the words "nee" in the photo caption in the ancestry section of this page. Please help. Thanks so much Srbernadette (talk) 07:32, 25 June 2017 (UTC)

Doné. Clarityfiend (talk) 09:46, 25 June 2017 (UTC)
I see what you did there :-). Won't work, though. {The poster formerly known as} (talk) 12:25, 26 June 2017 (UTC)


An editor - User talk:Esemgee - on the Family of Catherine, Duchess of Cambridge page is confused as to what constitutes a "reliable source". The UK Government administered Leodis (Leeds) Photographic Archive @ is "peer reviewed" - acknowledging extra input/information from the public before it is checked for authenticity and, only then, possibly incorporated into the archival information. The system at "" is very similar. Should we alert this editor this? This editor has been excellent in removing UK Daily Mail citations. Thanks (talk) 09:14, 25 June 2017 (UTC)

Family of Catherine, Duchess of Cambridge[edit]

I have voiced my concerns on the Talk page of this article - but an edit war is on! User talk:Esemgee is an editor who will not accept the various details - published in respected books (recent and historic) and in many verifiable citations - concerning the Lupton family, who feature on this page. Any suggestions? This warring has been going on for some time. See above "verifiability" query too please. Cheers (talk) 10:52, 25 June 2017 (UTC)

Getting Started Help[edit]

Hi- I am taking a class on webpage creation and our first assignment is to create a wikipedia page for a company that does not have one. What are the rules with citing resources and how do I do that? Also what are the rules for creating a wikipedia page? Any other advice on creating a Wikipedia page? I am completely new to this whole thing. Thanks in advance! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lpg826 (talkcontribs) 15:16, 25 June 2017 (UTC)

@Lpg826: Hi, if you are a student, see the message I am about to leave on your talk page. Also, for citing sources, see this page which explains it nicely. Also, be aware of the notability guidelines for companies. When you write your article, visit Your First Article which tells you how to write an article here, then, when you're ready, go to the Article Wizard.  Seagull123  Φ  16:02, 25 June 2017 (UTC)
I'm sorry to break this yo you, Lpg826, but if that is your first assignment, then it sounds as if whoever is teaching the class has no understanding of Wikipedia. First, creating a Wikipedia article is difficult (see Your first article). Secondly, I always advise against thinking of "a Wikipedia page for anything", and recommend saying "a Wikipedia article about something". This might seem nitpicky, but I think it is the key to why a lot of people have an unrewarding experience when they try to create a Wikipedia article - and why I think your teacher doesn't understand Wikipedia. Creating a Wikipedia article is an entirely different activity from creating a page in a blog, a directory, or any kind of social media. --ColinFine (talk) 23:31, 25 June 2017 (UTC)
ColinFine I hope I am replying correctly, like I said I am brand new here... But I really appreciate that advice, thank you. You are not the first person to say that, which is a bit frustrating but I think the intention is for us to learn more about webpage creation under strict guidelines. But your comments helped lead me in the right direction!Thanks again for your response! Seagull123, thank you so much- I will respond on my talk page!

Lpg826 (talk) 10:51, 26 June 2017 (UTC)

Cite book - new functionality?[edit]

Some time ago, I read about new functionality to to make it easier to cite a book. My vague recollection is that you simply needed to use either the ISBN or the OCLC along with a template or a magic word and it would automatically generate a citation. I actually used it successfully in this edit, But I can't tell how I did it I know I didn't fill out the entire template something did it for me automatically. Does anyone recall what this new functionality is and where it is documented?--S Philbrick(Talk) 17:10, 25 June 2017 (UTC)

@Sphilbrick: try Yadkard? You may not have been talking about this, but you can just enter a ISBN, and it makes a {{cite book}} template in the bottom box.  Seagull123  Φ  17:32, 25 June 2017 (UTC)
That isn't it, but thanks for pointing that out. I have used OttoBib, which seems similar to Yadkard, but what I did was much easier.--S Philbrick(Talk) 17:39, 25 June 2017 (UTC)
If you have "Enhanced editing toolbar with wizards" at Help:Edit toolbar then click "Cite" at the right, click "Templates" at the left, select "cite book", fill out the ISBN field and click the magnifying glass icon to the right of the field. PrimeHunter (talk) 17:55, 25 June 2017 (UTC)
That isn't it, but it was enough of a reminder to help me remember what I did.
Using the visual editor, click cite, add the ISBN and generate. That generates it as a footnote, which I then edit using the old editor and remove the ref tags. (If it was in an article, and I wanted it as a footnote, skip second step) --S Philbrick(Talk) 18:14, 25 June 2017 (UTC)

ISBN user script[edit]

Is there a user script able to convert unhyphenated ISBN, so 9780333396339 would be automatically converted to 978-0-333-39633-9? Thanks.--Nevéselbert 17:57, 25 June 2017 (UTC)

@Neve-selbert: This script may do what you're looking for. Apparently, with the basic version it means "ISBNs will be modified to allow WikiMagic to work. See WP:ISBN and Help:Magic#ISBN for details". You could always request one be written.  Seagull123  Φ  19:11, 25 June 2017 (UTC)
Or, while not a script, you could try this page at Enter the ISBN, tick the "Hyphenate ISBNs" box, then click "Convert ISBN", and it will become hyphenated.  Seagull123  Φ  19:22, 25 June 2017 (UTC)
@Seagull123: I know that website, but it would take me ages to run through each and every ISBN (I've tried, and it was too overwhelming). As I said, I would like a script that would be able to do this automatically. I don't think AutoEd does this as I've installed it and it doesn't seem to work that way. Thanks anyway, I'll look at requesting one to be written.--Nevéselbert 23:05, 25 June 2017 (UTC)
Seagull123, Neve-selbert At Wikipedia:Bots/Requests for approval#Yobot 54 there is an open application for approval for a bot that will replace all ordinary ISBNs with calls to Template:ISBN. I don't believe this will add hyphenation as currently designed, but this would be a good moment to ask that such a feature be added. This is begin done, as I understand it, because the "magic" ISBN syntax is being deprecated and may be removed. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 02:19, 26 June 2017 (UTC)
There are two other bots already doing that task. Pppery 02:50, 26 June 2017 (UTC)
A script would not be able to hyphenate an ISBN in any meaningful way unless it had access to data providing the block length of every country code and more than 900,000 publisher codes. See ISBN for information on what the hyphens mean.--Shantavira|feed me 06:57, 26 June 2017 (UTC)
For English-language ISBNs, hyphenation can be done automatically, based on a table small enough to include in the code of a script. For a more general solution, there would need to be access to a database giving the lengths of the assigned publisher codes, this would be relatively small as commercial DBs go, but would need to be kept in sync with official sources. a partial hyphenation separating the prefix and the language/country designator would always be possible without a DB. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 16:33, 26 June 2017 (UTC)

Question about archiving[edit]

Is there any way to get Lowercase sigmabot III to filter messages to different archives? For example, archiving Signpost updates on a separate archive. Is this possible, or would I have to do it manually?
Thanks –XboxGamer22408talk 20:54, 25 June 2017 (UTC)

@XboxGamer22408: It would do the same if you set a separate talk page for specific messages just as my Signpost talk, and if set on the main talk page you'll probably have to do it manually. KGirlTrucker81 huh? what I've been doing 21:07, 25 June 2017 (UTC)

how to un-delete articles?[edit]

I found an article that went through 'Articles for Deletion' and the decision was to delete it (actually re-direct it) and that was carried out. I would like to contest this and would like to know what the procedure for that is and exactly how I would do that. I asked the deleting Admin and they told me to try to change the minds of the two people whose views he considers 'clear consensus.' Is that the only way? If an article is deleted, you have to go ask the people who voted to delete it and change their minds? Is there any other way it can be done? Thanks. 22:35, 25 June 2017 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Isenta (talkcontribs)

@Isenta: Since only administrators can undelete pages, you might want to take it to WP:DRV with evidence of why the person is notable, providing significant coverage in reliable sources. KGirlTrucker81 huh? what I've been doing 23:12, 25 June 2017 (UTC)
DRV is exactly what I was looking for. Thanks! Isenta (talk) 23:17, 25 June 2017 (UTC)
@Isenta: You could create Draft:Bleeding-heart libertarianism, which wouldn't require any permissions, and if you can turn it into a decent article, it will be straightforward to move into main space.--S Philbrick(Talk) 00:01, 26 June 2017 (UTC)
@Isenta: Be careful that WP:DRV is not "AfD round 2". DRV is about whether the closing administrator properly assessed the consensual view among AfD participants. If new information comes to light (e.g. sources that were not considered at AfD), you can recreate the article, but DRV will fail to overturn the original closure.
The best option, as offered above, is to create the article in draft space and push it through WP:AFC. TigraanClick here to contact me 10:33, 26 June 2017 (UTC)

June 26[edit]

Reference problem[edit]

Hi everybody,

I've met a problem as pertains references on Étienne Vatelot which I don't know how to fix. Can someone please help me out ? Thanks in advance. LouisAlain (talk) 09:09, 26 June 2017 (UTC)

Fixed in [3]. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:00, 26 June 2017 (UTC)
And now it looks much better. Thank you! LouisAlain (talk) 10:10, 26 June 2017 (UTC)

Question on citations with photos/no textual evidence[edit]

Noticed that this guy makes citation via references that uses photos or it doesn't provide enough textual context to support something. What's the take on this? Is it not okay? Just wanna clarify on this. Ominae (talk) 11:00, 26 June 2017 (UTC)

Hi, Ominae. A photo can be a reliable source, provided that it is published somewhere reliable. But there are caveats. Does the support depend on interpretation of the photo? If so, the claim may be original research. Does it depend on the statements in the caption of the photo? If so, the reliability of those may need to be assessed independently of where it was published. As often with reliability, there is not a clear-cut answer. I suggest taking it to WP:RSN. --ColinFine (talk) 11:25, 26 June 2017 (UTC)

Translation quotes[edit]

Hello, how can I correctly render this text: ?--Neurorebel (talk) 14:46, 26 June 2017 (UTC)

Hello, Neurorebel, and welcome to Wikipedia. You definitely need additional citations to reliable sources. Also, please give the title of any source you cite, as well as the name of the work in which it is contained (name of the web site, for a web source). Please also give the author, date of publication, and page number when these are available. The date of access should always be provided for online sources. You can use {{Cite web}} for this, or format the information in another way. See Referencing for Beginners for more detail.
As for how to format your "In popular culture" section, I will need to think about what would be the best way. Perhaps for quotations as short as this, using {{quotation}} (which builds a blockquote) is not the best way, and simple quote marks may be better. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 19:21, 26 June 2017 (UTC)
Do you mean "" ?--Neurorebel (talk) 22:10, 26 June 2017 (UTC)



Please, could you advise how to change the heading? Sekunjalo Investments should read African Equity Empowerment Investments. ( . They changed their name because of the confusion.

Thanking you, Marianne — Preceding unsigned comment added by Marianne2000 (talkcontribs) 15:35, 26 June 2017 (UTC)

If what you want is to change the title of the article from Sekunjalo Investments to African Equity Empowerment Investments you should move the article, this is done by searching on the upper part of the article (sometimes inside the "more" section) the "move" section then click it and follow the instructions. This will enable you to move Sekunjalo Investments to African Equity Empowerment Investments.
Also note that this has already been made before, what means that somebody before you thought that Sekunjalo Investments was the propper name rather than African Equity Empowerment Investments.--Neurorebel (talk) 16:02, 26 June 2017 (UTC)
(edit conflict)@Marianne2000: However, this facility will not be available to you until your account is at least four days old and you have made 10 or more valid edits. In the meantime you can request a move at WP:RM or perhaps a volunteer here will move it for you. Please provide evidence to back up the change you wish to make. Thank you. Eagleash (talk) 16:10, 26 June 2017 (UTC)
Also If you still want to ask for the moving I encourage you to follow the Wikipedia:BOLD, revert, discuss cycle in order to maintain the consensus.--Neurorebel (talk) 16:16, 26 June 2017 (UTC)

Best route to ask for subject-expert input and scrutiny on a draft section I'd like to add to an article[edit]

I'm editing a highly technical page of post-PhD mathematics related to a number theory topic. I've drafted a section to add, that gives a non-technical overview of the topic content to make it more accessible and less daunting to mathematicians without such backgrounds. Because it's a very technical area, I'd like to post my draft on the topic talk-page and request the attention of subject-matter experts to scrutinize and collaboratively edit it, to ensure I've got it right.

Is it best to use WP:RFC, post at WikiProject Mathematics, or use {{Expert needed}} or {{Expert needed talk}}? I've looked at all of these, it's not entirely clear. FT2 (Talk | email) 17:04, 26 June 2017 (UTC)

I don't think that an RfC is the best way to do this. An RFC is more for disputes or making choices on how best to proceed. If your draft is fairly short, I would post it on the article talk page, if it is more than a few paragraphs, i would create a userspace page, such as user:FT2/Draft X (Replace "Draft X" with some meaningful name, please) and place a link to that page on the article talk page. Then I would both use {{Expert needed talk}} and post at WikiProject Mathematics, the better to attract an editor with the needed background. I myself know math through roughly undergrad-level differential equations, and a hobby interest in number theory, particularly as it impacts encryption, perhaps not really enough for what you are describing. But you might place a link to the page in this thread as well -- someone with the needed knowledge might see it here. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 19:09, 26 June 2017 (UTC) @FT2: DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 20:09, 26 June 2017 (UTC)
Section added. See Wiles's proof of Fermat's Last Theorem#Non-technical summary of Wiles'_proof. As it's a huge proof itself, this is about the detail needed to make the basic approach accessible to those lacking advanced mathematics. FT2 (Talk | email) 01:44, 27 June 2017 (UTC)

Helping me with my entries[edit]

You have a stub entry on me and two of my intellectual inventions (Locally Unwanted Land Uses and the Buffalo Commons). I would like to fill them out a bit, but am not particularly good at computers. I'd like to send draft entries that you would then enter into Wikipedia. Would that be possible? Thanks for your help.

                 Frank J. Popper

Rutgers and Princeton Universities <email redacted> — Preceding unsigned comment added by FPopper (talkcontribs) 18:10, 26 June 2017 (UTC)

Hello, FPopper and welcome to Wikipedia. We don't normally operate in that way, but I will send you an email and perhaps be able to assist. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 19:01, 26 June 2017 (UTC)

Olga Mihaylovna Bebutova looks like a mess...[edit]


While trying to add info on wikidata, I noticed this article seems to mix 2 very different persons : Olga Mihaylovna Bebutova (1879-1952) and Kate Burk (alive in 2002 at least)... the reference to beauty pageant in 2002 makes no sense for Bebutova.... :(

in fact, from this diff, it really looks like vandalism, OR somebody wanted to write another article, but crushed another article by doing so... I did not dare to restaure previous version, since I'm not wikipedian...

Could someone please try to fix this ? --Hsarrazin (talk on wd) 21:13, 26 June 2017 (UTC)

Yes, it appears to be vandalism from Feb 2015. MB 21:30, 26 June 2017 (UTC)
(e/c) Hi Hsarrazin. Thanks for noticing this and posting about it. This could have been vandalism, but it also may be a misplaced edit, and we only describe clearly bad faith edits as vandalism. That being said, this content obviously is misplaced, whatever its origins, and so I have reverted to a prior version. If you read the linked page, you will learn how you could have easily done this yourself. The moment you made an edit you became a "Wikipedian". There is no central authority, no authorized Wikipedians, just a collection of people trying to build an encyclopedia. Some may be more experienced than you but your instinct about this edit that it needed to go was spot on. You really could have gone right ahead and made the edit here. See Wikipedia:Be bold. See also Wikipedia:Contributing to Wikipedia. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 21:36, 26 June 2017 (UTC)
thanks ! I know I could have done it, but I don't dare when I'm not home (i.e. wikidata and and I'm not sure what happened ;D
also, I was tired yesterday evening... and didn't notice that the contributor only totals 15 edits, including these 11, which is to me a clear evidence of vandalism...
I'll be bolder next time :D - have a nice day ! --Hsarrazin (talk on wd) 08:40, 27 June 2017 (UTC)

Lupton family[edit]

Please help - I am new to adding files. I think I stuffed up in the Francis III section. There are 2 little brackets up the top. Please help Thanks Srbernadette (talk) 23:39, 26 June 2017 (UTC)

@Srbernadette: Fixed. Eagleash (talk) 23:59, 26 June 2017 (UTC)

Ying Compestine Page[edit]


I'm creating a Wikipedia page for myself and I would like to use the bio from my website. How can I do that without it being identified as "plagiarism"?

Below are links to the wikipedia page and my website:


Ying — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ycompestine (talkcontribs) 23:52, 26 June 2017 (UTC)

  • Hello Ying, welcome to Wikipedia. Creating an article about yourself is strongly discouraged. I quote our guideline, which strongly suggests: "We want biographies here, not autobiographies." Please go through WP:YOURSELF to understand why Wikipedia does not encourage such contributions. Do not hesitate to ask us for further assistance. Thanks. Lourdes 00:32, 27 June 2017 (UTC)
(edit conflict)Ycompestine (Ying) basically, you can't. You could go through the process at Wikipedia:Donating copyrighted materials which would release the text for anyone in the world to reuse, modify and/or sell, but even then, if you used that text in an article, it would be speedy deleted as blatantly promotional. Since you have an obvious conflict of interest it would be much better if someone else were to write any such article, starting from scratch. If you try to write it, at least start from scratch, using only what can be supported by independent published reliable sources. Please read Your First Article before going ahead. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 00:36, 27 June 2017 (UTC)

June 27[edit]

Use of Google Street View images[edit]

I read through Google's terms of use, and understood them to say that use of their street view content is allowed provided Google and its content providers are credited. However, when I attempted to use street view imagery on an article, it was marked for speedy deletion along with a comment that all of Google's content is copyrighted and cannot be used on wikipedia. Can someone help me understand this? I will provide links below that led me to believe the use of this image was allowed.

"Google Earth images

We know the imagery in Google Earth, both current and historical, can provide useful visual context to news websites, blogs, and other educational sites. And often these sites want to use the imagery found in Google Earth as still images, both as-is or annotated with additional labels and features. You may use a handful of these images in a news article or on a blog, just please be sure to follow our attribution rules. Note that Google Earth Pro allows you to export high-resolution JPEGs—particularly handy for these projects."

Google Earth Images for use on web:

Proper Attribution:

Thanks for the help — Preceding unsigned comment added by PureMichiganChip (talkcontribs) 04:05, 27 June 2017 (UTC)

@PureMichiganChip: Google's conditions for using Street View imagery are fairly strict ( - they require a live link to Google's copy of the image, unless the re-use is for academic or non-commercial purposes. This is incompatible with the free licenses used at Wikipedia, which allow text and images to be re-used freely, even commercially. There are exceptions which allow some non-free images to be displayed at Wikipedia, but they won't apply to Street View images. -- John of Reading (talk) 07:01, 27 June 2017 (UTC)
@PureMichiganChip: You have to understand that Wikipedia allows LESS than you might have permission for. This is to guarantee the eternal availability for any purpose of the material that we create and host. This makes it considerably hard for the average person to determine what kind of material he can upload and use in an article. —TheDJ (talkcontribs) 09:26, 27 June 2017 (UTC)

File rename[edit]

I am having trouble. This page - - is meant to show me how to revert a file name. I had thought that the file (see below) was named incorrectly and I therefore changed it. BUT - it is clear now that the file's ORIGINAL name was indeed correct. The file is,_Duchess_of_Cambridge#/media/File:William_Middleton,_Esq.,_of_Gledhow_Grange_Estate,_near_Leeds.jpg

You will see that it was originally correctly called - File:John W. Middleton Esq. of Fairfield, the estate in Far Headingley, near Leeds.jpg

Please help me reinstate this original and correct file name. Thanks Srbernadette (talk) 05:19, 27 June 2017 (UTC)

@Srbernadette: I have posted on your behalf at the Wikimedia Commons help desk. -- John of Reading (talk) 06:50, 27 June 2017 (UTC)

Recreation of a Previously-Deleted Page[edit]

Hi! I'm new here as a contributor. I was doing a Wikipedia search for something, and surprised that the page didn't exist yet. I looked on the logs, and it turns out that two attempted creations had been deleted for a multitude of reasons including COI and non-credible sources. The Wikipedia guidelines for "Criteria for Speedy Deletion" state that "It excludes pages that are not substantially identical to the deleted version, pages to which the reason for the deletion no longer applies, and content that has been moved to user space or converted to a draft for explicit improvement (but not simply to circumvent Wikipedia's deletion policy)".

If I were to recreate this page, would it be possible to have a draft looked at to ensure that it's "not substantially identical to the deleted version" (I have no idea what it looks like before, and can't seem to figure out how to view what it was before it was deleted, if it's possible?) and that the sources I believe to be credible (as per my interpretation of Wikipedia's guidelines) are actually credible?

Thanks! Vorsipellis (talk) 07:01, 27 June 2017 (UTC)

You can't see it - but an administrator can. You can ask one if they can provide the old text which they will often do if it doesn't contain copyright violations, personal attacks, etc. (Wikipedia:Requests for administrator attention) Rmhermen (talk) 07:10, 27 June 2017 (UTC)
If you want to create the article, Vorsipellis, (and are satisfied that the subject meets Wikipedia's criteria for notability, my suggestion would be to use the article wizard to create a draft in draft space. When you think it is ready, you can submit it for review; and if the reviewing editor thinks that it is acceptable, they will sort out moving it to mainspace. Depending on why the previous attempts were deleted, it may or may not be useful to look at them: as Rmhermen says, you can ask an administrator to give you a copy. --ColinFine (talk) 08:10, 27 June 2017 (UTC)
Got it, will go do that. Thanks very much! Vorsipellis (talk) 13:30, 27 June 2017 (UTC)

show name of google[edit]

sir i want know how show about myself on google if any person search my name how to add name & image informed me — Preceding unsigned comment added by PARAMESWARSUNA (talkcontribs)

In general, you cannot do such at thing yourself. You can always buy an ad with Google to advertise yourself of course. —TheDJ (talkcontribs) 09:17, 27 June 2017 (UTC)

Citations in Local language[edit]

Can citation source be in local language other than English ?Can administrators take in count the third resource from Language other than english — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sandeep3434 (talkcontribs) 09:18, 27 June 2017 (UTC)

@Sandeep3434: Yes, sources written in any language are acceptable; see Wikipedia:Verifiability#Non-English sources for more detail. -- John of Reading (talk) 09:44, 27 June 2017 (UTC)
@Sandeep3434: and an English translation of the title may be helpful Jimfbleak - talk to me? 14:28, 27 June 2017 (UTC)

Netherlands vs Holland[edit]

Are they going to leave Holland known as the Netherlands (which it was called years ago) (This was done due to Michele Obama wasn't it?) This grouping was Spain, France, Bugaria, Germany, Holland - part of what is each country now was The Netherlands. It is causing problems, especially for Olympic athletes. Some of these countries athletes didn't get to compete.

Regarding the listing for the United States, if you watch an unedited version of the Trump inauguration, you will find Trump was not reinaugurated. It was stopped by a General of the UNITED STATES MILITARY, not a US led coalition which the Metro refers to constantly by Rueters.

Thanks, concerned American — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 11:55, 27 June 2017 (UTC)

"The Netherlands" is the correct title of the Western European country north of Belgium. Part of its territiry consists of the two provinces of North and South Holland, and the country is sometimes as a whole referred to (incorrectly) as "Holland" The history of the area is quite complex, but Spain and Austria did at one time control it between them, and France and Germany have both invaded at various times. I don't think Bulgaria has ever had anything to do with it. I have no idea why you think Michelle Obama had any involvement, nor what it has to do with the Olympics.
I also have no idea what you're talking about re Trump's inauguration. Rojomoke (talk) 12:53, 27 June 2017 (UTC)

mailing list[edit]

I am a real estate broker and I am trying to get a list of email address for my County in Florida so I can send out a news letter trying to market my real estate company. How do I do this Thank You Jim Mathieu Alzie Realty Fort Lauderdale — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alziehomes (talkcontribs) 14:02, 27 June 2017 (UTC)

Hello Alziehomes. This is the help desk, which is for asking questions about using Wikipedia. You might try asking at the reference desk. RivertorchFIREWATER 14:13, 27 June 2017 (UTC)
Wikipedia does not disclose any e-mail addresses, of course, but some organisations do sell lists that they have compiled. If you ask at the computing reference desk, perhaps someone can point you to such an organisation. Dbfirs 16:48, 27 June 2017 (UTC)

Delete Draft / Talk[edit]

Good afternoon

How do i delete a Draft and Talk pages ?

I.e., I only want the below to be accessible / for reading:

Thank you in advance for helping. Kind regards Camilla. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 14:16, 27 June 2017 (UTC)

I've deleted them, needs admin permissions Jimfbleak - talk to me? 14:25, 27 June 2017 (UTC)
If you meant the talk page of the article, rather than of the draft, that must stay so people can comment Jimfbleak - talk to me? 14:32, 27 June 2017 (UTC)

Use of "sic"[edit]

What should be done if a newspaper misspells someone's verbal quote? It seems a bit unfair to add "[sic]", given that "[sic]" tends to be used to draw attention to someone's alleged lack of written English skills. This was not Mhairi Black's spelling error, it was The Guardian's. Could the spelling be corrected in the quote? MaxBrowne (talk) 15:13, 27 June 2017 (UTC)

A spelling error in The Grauniad! a scandalous accusation sir. That definitely sounds like she was speaking, making it the paper's error. Sic not needed in my opinion. - X201 (talk) 15:25, 27 June 2017 (UTC)
(e/c) Hi Max. As far as I am concerned, the source here is the person being quoted, and The Guardian's role as a source is in acting as a reliable conduit for what the words were, but not the spelling/punctuation. Also, the grammatical error made by the newspaper in transcription is not relevant to the quote's purpose in the article, so flagging it in the body would be a distraction. Accordingly, I see no need to retain The Guardian's possessive error. It should simply be corrected, with no [sic] flag. This is in keeping with MOS:PMC. However, it might be useful to add a commented out note (text between <!-- -->) next to the corrected error, stating this issue itself. This would not be seen in the live article, but would be seen by anyone seeking to "correct" the quote by adding in the apostrophe or "[sic]", or both. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 15:28, 27 June 2017 (UTC)
This is specified in the MOS (manual of style) at MOS:PMC. RJFJR (talk) 17:30, 27 June 2017 (UTC)


Hi! I am trying to create a wikipedia page about Nick Quested, a renowned documentary film producer who has won Emmy awards and been nominated for an Academy Award. Somebody has already tried to make a page about him, but the draft was denied publication. Now I am trying to edit it and resubmit to be evaluated, but I am not sure how to do this. I don't see where I can resubmit the page that was created by somebody else, but that I edited. I appreciate the help. JordanK713 (talk) 15:53, 27 June 2017 (UTC)

There is a resubmit button in blue on the draft page, but don't resubmit yet, because you need to find independent references. A subject's own website and IMDb are written by the subject or their agents, so are not independent, and can be used only in a limited way. You need to find publications where the subject has been written about extensively (not just an interview or a mention). See Wikipedia:Reliable sources. Dbfirs 16:40, 27 June 2017 (UTC)

Image Use[edit]

I'm going around and around on whether the image is relevant to the topic. see: If I'm wrong on this topic it's fine. Just need a third party to give it a look. I edited the caption to give context to the image. The same user still removed it. The user could be right, but the revert war is unproductive. The picture in question is a picture of a future location of a ball park. Thanks! Nemov (talk) 20:00, 27 June 2017 (UTC)

It's an empty field showing grass, bushes and trees. There's nothing unique or identifying in the image itself, not even a sign saying "Future Spring Training Home of the Braves" or similar. Any photo of an empty field could be substituted, and no one would know the difference. - BilCat (talk) 20:07, 27 June 2017 (UTC)
You opinion is referenced over and over on the article. Can someone else help with this question? The image is the future location and shows the undeveloped West Villages location. Nemov (talk) 21:23, 27 June 2017 (UTC)
@BilCat, Nemov: Well, you've both violated the three revert rule x 3 (9 reverts each today I believe) in your edit war, and neither one of you have started a discussion on the talk page. After doing so and the issue cannot be resolved, you can seek a Wikipedia:Third opinion, and/or start a Wikipedia:Dispute resolution noticeboard. There's further ideas at Wikipedia:Dispute resolution.

As to the underlying issue, I'm somewhat torn. It's not "purely decorative" and as to MOS:PERTINENCE, it is relevant. It is the actual field as identified by the photographer, not some random field (meaning I think Bilcat's over-egged the pudding in claiming that this is literally no different than any other image of a random field) but is it "significant" when it's, well, just a fairly generic looking field; does seeing the actual field where something will be built, but has not yet been built, tell us much about the thing; does it increase our reader's understanding?

I think it does though not greatly. It's a hook for the content about the Stadium's yet-to-be-built status, and it also tells our readers some information about the ultimate location that is not just "empty field information". For one, we can see the location chosen is in a rural area with nothing around it for a long way, that is different information than, say, if it was of a field surrounded by buildings or there was lots of highways in view. But is it very significant? No. So if, for example, this article had many [other] relevant images and we were concerned about the number ("too many can be distracting"), then I would vote for this to go. As it is, though, I think it has a place. Feel free to transpose this post to the talk page discussion (though all of it or nothing), if you start it (as I urge you to do). Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 23:19, 27 June 2017 (UTC)

As is yours. I'm sorry, but however you know this, it's original research. I'm taking your word for it that its actually correct location, but how does anyone else know? Maybe you could put up a sign, and then take another photo. - BilCat (talk) 22:46, 27 June 2017 (UTC)
Bilcat: we relax our standards for images. See Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Images#Image description pages: "Reliable sources, if any, may be listed on the image's description page. Generally, Wikipedia assumes in good faith that image creators are correctly identifying the contents of photographs they have taken. If such sources are available, it is helpful to provide them."--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 23:28, 27 June 2017 (UTC)
I have been assuming good faith that this is the actual field. But it does look like any other field, which is my point. - BilCat (talk) 23:36, 27 June 2017 (UTC)

Searching for pages containing words containing a substring.[edit]

Is there a way to use a wildcard at the beginning of a word when searching wikipedia? For example if I wanted to search for pages for words containing the substring "methane" so I could also find pages containing the word chloromethane, nitromethane, methanesulfonic, ect. How could I go about it? OrganoMetallurgy (talk) 20:58, 27 June 2017 (UTC)

Hi OrganoMetallurgy. Please see Help:Searching, including its subsection at Syntax which covers wildcard searches. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 22:34, 27 June 2017 (UTC)
Fuhghettaboutit wildcards don't work at the beginning of words. OrganoMetallurgy (talk) 23:07, 27 June 2017 (UTC)

Table problems[edit]

Hello, I'm a bit at a loss with the article Bournemouth (J. R. R. Tolkien's place of death...): (1) Although I entered the parameter class="wikitable centered" (I also tried class="wikitable center") for the second table in the Demography section. How come this doesn't work? (2) Also, I didn't know how to fix the table[s] in the Climate section just below. Would somebody like to give me a helping hand there?--Curc (talk) 21:57, 27 June 2017 (UTC)

how to add a new page[edit]

Hello, I would like to know how I can create a new page that does not exist (for example in English) but is available in other languages. I have read the guide how to do it but could not find the way where to start, where to click. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jirka1901 (talkcontribs) 21:57, 27 June 2017 (UTC)

Hi Jirka1901 . Are you sure the subject is notable? – that it/he/she has been the subject of significant coverage in reliable, secondary, independent sources that you plan to cite to verify all the information and demonstrate that notability? You've read Wikipedia:Your first article and Wikipedia:Translation, including its section on providing mandatory copyright attribution if you're translating? Okay, then, go the Wikipedia:Article wizard—it'll walk you though it. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 22:31, 27 June 2017 (UTC)